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  1. kukoc4ever

    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    The rotations are OK by me for the most part. He plays the good players.

    There is not a lot of complex offense, but we're scoring points more than ever and he's letting our talented guards do their thing which is a pretty good idea. Rose is developing into a go-to guy down the stretch which will help us close out the close games, like last night.

    I wish there was an emphasis on defense as well. But, he's getting guys to produce for the most part. Gordon is having a good year. Hughes actually is playing OK the last few games, even though he's good for a couple bonehead shots a game. Gooden is giving us a reasonable level of production, brain farts and all.

    We'll see how it pans out. He seems like he's getting the most out his players, regardless of jib, which I think is awfully important in the NBA. At times he seems lost out there, but that's to be expected. He's never coached before. (whoa) Last night we ran out of timeouts with a minute left in the game. He also does not seem to publicly have a strong will, purpose, goal. Its all cliches and excuses. I don't like that very much.
     
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  2. MikeDC

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    I'm trying to take the long view on VDN because some of the stuff I see game to game just messes with my head. Some of it I look at and think the same sort of things I thought about Boylan. That is, you can count up some mistakes to inexperience, but some of them are just due to an insanity that shouldn't see the light of day.

    But then you have to step back and look at the bigger picture. Are the Bulls doing better or worse than expected. I'd say a little better. And while Rose has been better out of the gate than I expected, the Bulls have been down several quality players in Deng, Hinrich, and Gooden from time to time. And the veterans seem to be playing hard.

    My only real concern is that Tyrus and Noah look incredibly shaky and we're playing Gray quite a bit more than I'd like to see. If we could somehow pull another solid big man out of a magic hat I'd be pretty happy.
     
  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    We have 2 wins on the circus trip with Hinrich out and Deng out for what, 3 games? Even with those guys available, the roster isn't very good/balanced.

    Last year, we were like 4-16 after the first 20. We're already way ahead of that pace.

    VDN must be doing a lot of things right.

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    VDN is doing extremely well considering his hands are tied in a lot of respects. He has one quality big man in Gooden. BG and Hughes trade off jacking up bad shots most nights. The fact that the bulls have been blown out just twice and came back to win on the road after the last one speaks volumes about his ability to get the team to focus. When was the last time the bulls were 7-8 this far into the circus trip? Of course, having a talent like Rose helps a lot too. This team would be 3-12 like previous years without him.

    You can see Rose starting to assert his dominance on this team and having the ball in his hands. BG seems to be accepting his role more as second fiddle, especially at the end of quarters where Rose's abilities make BG's futile attempts seem even more pathetic. I'd like to see more Thabo, especially if they are trying to play uptempo small ball, but there just aren't any minutes behind Deng (supposedly a centerpiece), BG (whining about starters not getting the team going, but a nonfactor in the first quarter of most games), and Hughes (showcasing).
     
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    Gordon's had some pretty big first quarters this year. He's just slumping right now, and this slump hasn't been as bad as his usual slumps. He is taking good shots, he just is missing them, and we've all seen him make these shots in the past.

    I think the big thing with the Bulls is we now have 2 guys that can take over a game for us, and it looks like, maybe two 20 PPG guys as well.

    We still need to get Gordon involved down the stretch in most games. I think Denver is a good example, we went away from Gordon a bit, and then Denver went on that big run, it wasn't until we were already down by 7 that we went back to Gordon again.

    It's interesting, if you watch Rose, it looks like Gordon has taught him a bit about jumpshooting. Rose is squaring up just like BG does, and Rose's shooting percentages are reflecting that as well.

    If teams don't feel like doubling Derrick in the clutch, we need to keep giving it to him until they do. Once that happens, that will open things up for Gordon.

    Also, I think it's pretty clear that Luol Deng has taken our money and ran away with it. We should be looking to trade him for a big man quick, Chris Kaman being the most obvious target.
     
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    I'd make an argument about moving BG back to the bench, but I don't think it makes much difference as long as Hughes is around. And Hughes selfish play may be a factor in BG's slow starts as a starter. But for all his talk about how starters need to set the tone, BG is not getting it done.
     
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    I think what Vinny has to do, which he was doing at first, but stopped doing was giving Gordon that 4-5 minute stretch with Rose on the bench where Gordon took over the offense. The team and BG were doing quite well in that time.

    Also, I'd like to see us run Gordon off some screens. That seems to have completely disappeared from the offense.
     
  8. kukoc4ever

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    Ben Gordon has the highest true shooting percentage and the 2nd highest PER on the Chicago Bulls.
     
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    Yeah. I think we're just about in full agreement. VDN is getting some positive play out of Hughes even though I hate watching it happening. I'm seeing some game planning on defense. In specific, every time the Bulls an opposing player get's aggressive and tries to iso the Bulls always try to flop -- that's a nice touch. My worry is that we've yet to see the larger structures that you need to win during the playoffs or if your team is having an off-night during the regular season. I haven't had any issues with the rotations and VDN's been pretty good about rationing minutes. I missed the fact that the Bulls ran out of timeouts, but it didn't hurt them. They've been brutal at working off sets in the forth quarter since MJ retired.

    I think I'm wait and see on the coaching job. I haven't been particularly impressed but the Bulls are starting the season better than they have in the past and that deserves some notice.


     
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    The Bulls are really a top notch big man away from being a team that can go deep in the playoffs.

    The seem able to take advantage of certain teams due to the mismatches of playing Hughes at PF.
     
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    And your point is? What was BG's PER two weeks ago? BG is only a point and a half above Thabo in PER now. And his TS% is essentially the same as Hinrich's. Not sure those are the stats you want to be highlighting.
     
  12. Денг Гордон

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    I think it's pretty obvious that Derrick Rose has surpassed Ben Gordon as the biggest impact player on the Bulls, but Gordon is right there at #2.

    Although Ben Gordon is the better all around player, because of Rose's lack of defense.
     
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    You really have to stop with that. BG is not a good defensive player. If he were, they wouldn't be hiding him on guys like Radmanovic or Batum, they'd be hiding Rose instead.
     
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    [SIZE=-1]Production by Position[/SIZE]

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    <table bgcolor="#cccccc" border="0" cellspacing="1" width="540"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#33cc33"> <td width="80"><center>[SIZE=-1]Position[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]Min[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="70"><center>[SIZE=-1]Net Pts[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]Off[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]Def[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]Net48[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="40"><center>[SIZE=-1]W[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="40"><center>[SIZE=-1]L[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]Win%[/SIZE]</center></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><center>[SIZE=-1]PG[/SIZE]</center></td> <td align="center">[SIZE=-1] 78%[/SIZE]</td> <td align="center">[SIZE=-1]-77[/SIZE]</td> <td align="center">[SIZE=-1] 97.9[/SIZE]</td> <td align="center">[SIZE=-1] 104.9[/SIZE]</td> <td align="center">[SIZE=-1] -7.0[/SIZE]</td> <td align="center">[SIZE=-1] 6 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="center">[SIZE=-1] 8 [/SIZE]</td> <td><center>[SIZE=-1] 42%[/SIZE]</center></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><center>[SIZE=-1]SG[/SIZE]</center></td> <td>
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    [SIZE=-1][SIZE=-2]Min[/SIZE][SIZE=-2] represents the percentage of the team's total minutes the player was at that position. W and L are not adjusted in this instance by quality of opponent while at that position in a game.[/SIZE] [/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Player 48-Minute Production by Position
    <table bgcolor="#cccccc" border="0" cellspacing="1" width="720"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#33cc33"> <td width="80"><center>[SIZE=-1]Position[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]FGA[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]eFG%[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]FTA[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]iFG[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]Reb[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]Ast[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]T/O[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]Blk[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]PF[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]Pts[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]PER*[/SIZE]</center></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><center>[SIZE=-1]PG[/SIZE]</center></td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 19.6 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1]0.493 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 5.0 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 41% [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 5.2 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 7.0 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 3.5 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 0.3 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 2.1 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 23.5 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#99ff00">[SIZE=-1]18.8 [/SIZE]</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><center>[SIZE=-1]SG[/SIZE]</center></td> <td>
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    [SIZE=-1]Opponent Counterpart 48-Minute Production
    <table bgcolor="#cccccc" border="0" cellspacing="1" width="720"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#33cc33"> <td width="80"><center>[SIZE=-1]Position[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]FGA[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]eFG%[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]FTA[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]iFG[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]Reb[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]Ast[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]T/O[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]Blk[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]PF[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]Pts[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]PER*[/SIZE]</center></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><center>[SIZE=-1]PG[/SIZE]</center></td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 13.8 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1]0.467 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 3.2 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 26% [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 5.0 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 7.0 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 3.6 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 0.5 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 3.1 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] 15.4 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#99ff00">[SIZE=-1]12.1 [/SIZE]</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><center>[SIZE=-1]SG[/SIZE]</center></td> <td>
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    [SIZE=-1]Net 48-Minute Production by Position
    <table bgcolor="#cccccc" border="0" cellspacing="1" width="720"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#99ccff"> <td width="80"><center>[SIZE=-1]Position[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]FGA[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]eFG%[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]FTA[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]iFG[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]Reb[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="60"><center>[SIZE=-1]Ast[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]T/O[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]Blk[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]PF[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]Pts[/SIZE]</center></td> <td width="50"><center>[SIZE=-1]PER*[/SIZE]</center></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><center>[SIZE=-1]PG[/SIZE]</center></td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] +5.8 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1]+0.026 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] +1.8 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] +15%[/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] +0.3 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] +0.0 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] +0.1 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] -0.3 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] +1.0 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right">[SIZE=-1] +8.1 [/SIZE]</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#99ff00">[SIZE=-1] +6.7 [/SIZE]</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><center>[SIZE=-1]SG[/SIZE]</center></td> <td>
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  16. bullshooter

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    So BG's played 4% of his minutes at pg and you want to highlight those numbers? And we've already stated that he doesn't guard his position. So you're highlighting Rose's number on defense. You can't use these numbers like that because they don't go through and do the matchups. They take the stock positions. All they are doing is parsing the the game log information, they aren't taking detailed notes on each game.
     
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    Yup. The 82games.com position numbers are junk this year imo. Ben Gordon has played way more than 4% of his minutes at point guard.
     
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    it's 4% of all the team's minutes...
     
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    16 games x 48 minutes per game at pg = 768 minutes.

    4% of 768 is 30.72 minutes. BG has played more than 30 minutes at pg.
     
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    Don't think he has played the PG spot for more than a couple of minutes here and there at a time.
     

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