According to ESPN Insider Chad Ford the Sixers are among three teams rumored to be interested in Vince Carter. The others are the Blazers and Knicks. Here it is from the rumor section of the ESPN Insider Page. [img=http://img117.exs.cx/img117/2364/z0cinsider.th.jpg] The question is who would we give up for Vince. I would think that we would have to trade one of our young up and coming players (Iguodala, Dalembert, or Green.) Would you trade one of these players plus a Glenn Robinson/Kenny Thomas for Vince? I realize this was brought up before about a deal for Vince but since Chad Ford is reporting it I'm bringing it up again...
I think Kenny and Glenn would be perfect to trade for him, plus I think it's within that 15% in salary difference.
yeh kenny and glenn would be good but i think that if the raptors are going to start their rebuilding process that will revolve around a young player like chris bosh i think that the sixers will have to give up one of their promising rookies. if i were the sixers korver would be untouchable and unegoitiatable. now from me watching the sixers games and hearing of their woes. ive noticed that the sixers play Marc Jackson as their starting center. Now form my opinion i think that dalembert fits the sixers more. so i think the sixers could somewhat be playing mind games with other teams. I just think that the sixers could just be playing marc to boost his trade value for situations like this and take the limlight off of Dalembert in these type of situations. so what i'm saying is that i think marc jackson would probally be involved in this trade with a promising rookie for v sizle. lineup Iverson green Vince Salmons Korver A.I. Corliss ? Dalembert ? guys leaving i think could include Glenn robinson Marc Jackson Kenny thomas and one of the promising rookies probally green because the raps need a pg with alvin being out and Skips problems so this trade could maybe include form my perspective glenn, Marc, and Green. pluses from this trade include capspace from glenn, a solid point to grow with bosh, and an ok center. guess will see
Yes for a Philly fan that would be the perfect trade but for a Raptor fan that trade is horrible. We go from Derek Anderson and Reef to Kenny thomas and Glenn rob? Throw in Dalembert and we'll think about it.... I don't see any trade happening without Dalembert or Iguodala in the picture.
Glenn and Kenny for VC? .. Last time I checked Rob Babcock wasn't mentaly unstable! However, it's pretty clear that any trade for Vince must include JR.
Philadelphia 76ers Injury Report - December 6, 2004 <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Corliss Williamson - probable, left knee MCL sprain</div> <div align="center">Link</div> Seems as if we are going to get Corliss back. It's not like we really needed him for this game but instead he would be much more valuable against Houston. But the fact and the matter is that he's back (supposedly), and that should really help because before he's been performing very well as of late.
Come on no BS deal. If we trade you Carter you take Rose as a tax, otherwise, it's gonna be really hard to make a trade. If Rose isn't including you'll have to give us Glenn and one if not 2 of ur young ones in Dalembert, Green, Salmons, Igoudala, or Korver. Personally, I don't think any of these stars are good enough to make us a winning team aside from Dalembert and Iggy, and if King doesn't give one of em up in a deal, then there is no deal.
I think Vince for Kenny,Robinson and Green makes perfect sense, Kenny Thomas is a double double guy(besides his slump right now), robinson can stilll play but doesn't want to pllay in philly, green has a bright future being a pg because the raptors dont have any decent pg rite now because of alvin and skip if im not mistaken
The Raptors would possibly want Robinson+Dalembert+Green, which I think isn't too much, becuase if you think about it Dalembert isn't getting any playing time in Obie system and would probably be out at the end of the year anyway if he doesn't get more playing time (free agent). Green is on the bench burried behind Iguodala, and Iverson so I say why not to the trade. The trade works salery wise too. <div align="center">_________________________________</div> Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (16.1 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.3 apg in 31.2 minutes) Toronto receives: Glenn Robinson (No games yet played in 2004/05) C Samuel Dalembert (4.7 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.2 minutes) SG Willie Green (7.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 21.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: -3.5 ppg, +4.0 rpg, and -0.7 apg. Philadelphia trades: Glenn Robinson (No games yet played in 2004/05) C Samuel Dalembert (4.7 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.2 minutes) SG Willie Green (7.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 21.6 minutes) Philadelphia receives: SF Vince Carter (16.1 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.3 apg in 31.2 minutes) Change in team outlook: +3.5 ppg, -4.0 rpg, and +0.7 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Toronto and Philadelphia being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Toronto and Philadelphia had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. _________________ Now we may actually have a true second scoring option for A.I and a great offence. New Lineup: PG - Iverson SG - Carter SF - Iguodala (need some D in the lineup) PF - Kenny T C - Marc Jax
^ do u really think that they would trade vince straight up for glenn??? they would proabbly want iggy thomas dalenbear (sp?) and someone else for vince and rose
you guys would prolly have to give up either one of or both sammy or iggy. we dont need KT since we've got a pf in bosh, and we've already got a mediocre over paid mid-range player in jalen. as if we are about to go get another one in the rebuild process. you guys can have vince & jalen or alvin...we'll throw in donyell marshall and his expiring contract...we'll take glenn dogg, but we also want sammy and iggy. suddenly the deal doesnt sound so good for you guys does it i dont see babs taking both KT and glenn dogg...we need rebounding in our starting line up...that wouldnt do it for us
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting thedude9990:</div><div class="quote_post">^ do u really think that they would trade vince straight up for glenn??? they would proabbly want iggy thomas dalenbear (sp?) and someone else for vince and rose</div> What are you talking about? CourtKings trade was Samuel Dalembert Willie Green and Glenn Robinson for VC, not Robinson for VC straight up. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (16.1 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.3 apg in 31.2 minutes) Toronto receives: Glenn Robinson (No games yet played in 2004/05) C Samuel Dalembert (4.7 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.2 minutes) SG Willie Green (7.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 21.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: -3.5 ppg, +4.0 rpg, and -0.7 apg. Philadelphia trades: Glenn Robinson (No games yet played in 2004/05) C Samuel Dalembert (4.7 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.2 minutes) SG Willie Green (7.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 21.6 minutes) Philadelphia receives: SF Vince Carter (16.1 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.3 apg in 31.2 minutes) Change in team outlook: +3.5 ppg, -4.0 rpg, and +0.7 apg. </div> I understand VC can be an all star caliber player, but when you look at his numbers this year, he just isnt worth it imo. We are giving up are back up center in Samuel Dalembert, we lose Bigg Dogg who can put up 16.1ppg 2.7rpg and 3.3 apg easily, and we lose are primary backup point guard Willie Green. Your telling me your willing to give away 3 players who are capable of starting for, VC who is on his way down? Id rather the Sixers keep the depth, and size. I'd be willing to trade Robinson and KT and maybe someone else, for VC and another player, mabe a player like Donyell Marshall. The only reason KT is being talked in these trades is because he is under acheiving and isnt working hard this year.
Vince isn't that all good you know, I would only trade for him if it doesn't involve these players untouchables: Allen Iverson, Andre Igoudala, Kyle Korver, Corliss Williamson, Sammy Dlaembert. As long as the deal doesn't requiere any of these players I'm pretty sure almost fine with it, but if it does I'd say no. Vince is good, but not that good. His defense has stepped up this year though. Thats the only good thing. Maybe this trade will work Philadelphia trades: Glenn Robinson (No games yet played in 2004/05) PF Marc Jackson (14.6 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 27.9 minutes) PG Kevin Ollie (0.7 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.0 apg in 7.0 minutes) SG Willie Green (7.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 21.6 minutes) Philadelphia receives: SF Vince Carter (16.1 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.3 apg in 31.2 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (9.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 21.8 minutes) Change in team outlook: +2.6 ppg, +0.6 rpg, and +1.5 apg. Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (16.1 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.3 apg in 31.2 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (9.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 21.8 minutes) Toronto receives: Glenn Robinson (No games yet played in 2004/05) PF Marc Jackson (14.6 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 27.9 minutes) PG Kevin Ollie (0.7 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.0 apg in 7.0 minutes) SG Willie Green (7.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 21.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: -2.6 ppg, -0.6 rpg, and -1.5 apg. any comments, I would do it in a heart beat as billy king
these are bs trades, i would rather do a deal with memphis, portland, or NO where we actually fill needs and get value in return.. maybe watson, mike miller, and 1st rounder for vc, or bdiddy for vc (yes it is possible NO have only won one game so far) IMO these are way better trades then kenny, glen and green, unless u add AI or Dalembert babcock wouldnt even think of pulling the trigger on this trade
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Silky Smooth:</div><div class="quote_post">What are you talking about? CourtKings trade was Samuel Dalembert Willie Green and Glenn Robinson for VC, not Robinson for VC straight up. I understand VC can be an all star caliber player, but when you look at his numbers this year, he just isnt worth it imo. We are giving up are back up center in Samuel Dalembert, we lose Bigg Dogg who can put up 16.1ppg 2.7rpg and 3.3 apg easily, and we lose are primary backup point guard Willie Green. Your telling me your willing to give away 3 players who are capable of starting for, VC who is on his way down? Id rather the Sixers keep the depth, and size. </div> You're basing everything on numbers. Have you noticed that Glenn Robinson will give up 10 more points a night than he scores? Right now, it's a good thing that he's on the IR. On the Raps side, Carters numbers don't really matter. He has not got consistant playing time this year, and when he does get lots of minutes, it doesn't mean that the Raps are running plays for him. When the Raps do run plays for him, he'll deliver, simple as that. Some nights he may be off because of the flow of the game and how well the 2nd unit has played, but if VC gets traded, his career will be rejuvenated. You're not giving up much anyways. Dalembert doesn't fit into O'briens systems as many thought he would, and Willie Green won't be anything in Philly but a backup. Plus Dalembert might leave this offseason because of his PT, and he'll gain more interest from other teams since the Sixers have deals hooked onto Skinner and MJ. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd be willing to trade Robinson and KT and maybe someone else, for VC and another player, mabe a player like Donyell Marshall. The only reason KT is being talked in these trades is because he is under acheiving and isnt working hard this year.</div> Are you serious? You wouldn't last one minute as a GM. What purpose does KT serve the Raps? Is he an upgrade on VC and Marshall (who has an expiring contract), NO. His contract is ridiculious, and the Raps will not take him. We're safe with Marsh. ----- <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Vince isn't that all good you know, I would only trade for him if it doesn't involve these players</div> Oh come on, Vince isn't all that good? He might be having an off season, but to say he's isn't all that good is a joke. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe this trade will work Philadelphia trades: Glenn Robinson (No games yet played in 2004/05) PF Marc Jackson (14.6 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 27.9 minutes) PG Kevin Ollie (0.7 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.0 apg in 7.0 minutes) SG Willie Green (7.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 21.6 minutes) Philadelphia receives: SF Vince Carter (16.1 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.3 apg in 31.2 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (9.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 21.8 minutes) Change in team outlook: +2.6 ppg, +0.6 rpg, and +1.5 apg. Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (16.1 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.3 apg in 31.2 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (9.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 21.8 minutes) Toronto receives: Glenn Robinson (No games yet played in 2004/05) PF Marc Jackson (14.6 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 27.9 minutes) PG Kevin Ollie (0.7 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.0 apg in 7.0 minutes) SG Willie Green (7.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 21.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: -2.6 ppg, -0.6 rpg, and -1.5 apg. any comments, I would do it in a heart beat as billy king</div> Enough with the BS trades And no kidding you would do it...You proposed the trade! I would trade Vince for Wade and Eddie Jones in a heartbeat if I could, but do you really think the other GM would do that?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh come on, Vince isn't all that good? He might be having an off season, but to say he's isn't all that good is a joke.</div> What is the difference between an "offseason" and a bad season? Last year Vince Carters numbers were about 22 5 and 5, this year his numbers are 16 3 and 3; he is shooting poorly from beyond the arc, and he is barely hitting 70% of his free throws. Its almost a career low in every statistical category for VC except he is taking better care of the ball with less turnovers. I doubt he ever worked on his game in the offseason. If you want to be traded so badly, you better prove something and work hard and prove your worth a trade, thats why the Raptors cant trade him. And most Raptors fan proclaimed this guy was rejuvinated. Raptors fans act like he is worth so much but he isnt, his trave value has drasticaly fallen and neither VC fans or the Raptor's GM can realize that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you serious? You wouldn't last one minute as a GM.</div> I could have told you that myself.
Seriously guys....what's the point off this thread if you keep on saying each other's trades are BS trades.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Silky Smooth:</div><div class="quote_post">What is the difference between an "offseason" and a bad season? Last year Vince Carters numbers were about 22 5 and 5, this year his numbers are 16 3 and 3; he is shooting poorly from beyond the arc, and he is barely hitting 70% of his free throws. Its almost a career low in every statistical category for VC except he is taking better care of the ball with less turnovers. I doubt he ever worked on his game in the offseason. If you want to be traded so badly, you better prove something and work hard and prove your worth a trade, thats why the Raptors cant trade him. And most Raptors fan proclaimed this guy was rejuvinated. </div> just because he is havnt an off/bad season does not mean that he isnt capable of putting up the numbers he has in previous years. i think the numbers you have showed contradict your argument...his numbers are down, and it isnt because he suddenly isnt good anymore...its because of a few things...new system, new coach...less playing time...not happy in his current situation/environment...getting less touches when he is on the court. compare his last 10 games, vs. his entire season...he's really starting to turn things around but you are certainly right about one thing...he didnt work on his game as much in the off-season...he spent most of the time conditioning and strength training to hopefully avoid any injury problems. not a bad move either imo
As much as I like Dalembert, if he would have to be thrown in the deal, I say do it. He isn't getting time in O'Brien's system, and if we can grab Vince Carter, I say pull the trigger. GRob has to go, and Kenny Thomas can be replaced.
