I read that Vince Carter, would be traded to Portland for Reef,Nick the Quick and Dereck Anderson+a 1st round pick.Another Raptors player was involved but it it sure. pg-Rafer,,,Nick Van Exel sg-Morris,,,Dereck sf-Reef,,,Lamond pf-Bosh,,,Donyell c-Woods,,,Moiso I would make that trade in a flash.
If the Raps make this trade they become from average to bad. VC is a superstar and there isn't one other one involved in the trade. Go ahead do it, less competition for the 76ers in the ATL div.
That trade would ruin the Raptors because you lose a superstar (like Need4Sheed said above) and you wouldn't have a go-to-guy. Your team would lose a lot of games and have no shot at a playoff spot. Bad Trade. Period.
well vince hasn't been playing like a superstar...or even an all star lately.....infact if he continues his play as of late..we probably won't even get a trade like this later on
mcGrady has a point. Shareef is the last decent player we can get for Vince. And we'll be lucky if we can get a 20 10 player for Vince. Cuz Shareef is only limited because of Zach Randolph. I seriously think Shareef has potential for 24 ppg 12 rpg. That guy can be a go to player if given a chance. And Vince is getting worse every game. I wish raptors would have got J-rich or magette a year ago. Imagine last year, Raptors easily could have got Magette and Q-rich for Vince. What a team that would be with Bosh. Trade him before we have to settle for Tim Thomas or Penny Hardaway.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Need4Sheed:</div><div class="quote_post">If the Raps make this trade they become from average to bad. VC is a superstar and there isn't one other one involved in the trade. Go ahead do it, less competition for the 76ers in the ATL div.</div> If Vince is a superstar, why doesn't he play like one? He's putting up numbers that are career lows at this point in time. He's doing nothing for his team. So, if he's a superstar, why doesn't he step up and play like one? Cause right now, he's just playing like an average player, maybe good at best. He's not playing to his status of superstar that you give him, he's not even playing like an All Star, he's playing like an above average (at best) small forward.
wow i cant believe what im reading. some of you are calling this a BAD trade for the raps??? thats an awesome deal. we'd be lucky to get that much for vince. apparently you hav'nt been paying close attention to how vince has been playing. ps. that first line has some issues. where is jalen?? the raps starting 5 would prolly look like this: pg - rafer sg - jalen sf - reef pf - bosh c - woods bench: NVE, mo pete, lammond, bonner, arujuo and moiso. (donyell would most likely be included in that deal too)
people that don't see vince's games get a a distorted, media hype machine generated snapshot of vince. 2004 vince is not the 2001 vince, his skills have eroded so much that so that he's sitting out fourth quarters. visit the raptors forum and read the local papers where his flaws are well documented.
They only played 9 games in the season, there is a new coach, new system and yea VC is getting less minutes than he usually plays... Don't worry about his numbers, they will be 20 4 4 at the end of the season. Shareef for VC... is not a good trade for Toronto because if Shareef had to play 3 he would get owned at defensive end, he is more like inside player.
VC has been gett low minutes cause hes been playing like Moiso adn even his been a bit better then him i think they should make this trade cause VC did want out and his getting paid like 12 mill a yr to be a role player and maybe his doing this on purpose to burn the raptors later if they dont make this deal no doubt that I'm a VC fan but I think his days may be numbered....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Player4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">They only played 9 games in the season, there is a new coach, new system and yea VC is getting less minutes than he usually plays... Don't worry about his numbers, they will be 20 4 4 at the end of the season. Shareef for VC... is not a good trade for Toronto because if Shareef had to play 3 he would get owned at defensive end, he is more like inside player.</div> You're right, his minutes are down. However, he's still managing about 15 shots a game. Granted that is about 4 shots fewer than his career average, it shouldn't make much of a diff. If you look at his stats right now, they're all down. FG%, 3P%, FT%, rebounds, points, assists, blocks, all are down from last year. The guy is shooting horrible from everywhere. Sub 40% fgs, sbu 30% 3s, and sub 70% FTs. He's giving them a reason to play him less. He's not making shots, he's not getting a lot of rebounds, assists, all in all, not doing much of anything. The only positive thing about him this year are that his turnovers are way down. Now, in my opinion, 8 minutes is not going to make a big diff in giving him help in any of those categories. So, if I were a Raptor fan, I would worry about him. About the Reef trade, I think it's pretty good. He's doing better than Carter in every stat, with the exclusion of assists and steals. His FG% is way better, as is his FT%. For that matter, he's averaging only .1 ppg more than Carter, and he's done it on 63 less shot attempts. And really, if he can play small forward out West, he can do it out East. The small forwards out East aren't much different than those out West. So, if you ask me, it's a good trade, just probably not for Portland.
^^the problem though is that reef doesnt want to play the 3. he wants to be a 4. i dont wanna get one malcontent for another. plus we already have a point guard whos doing a great job. sure nve would come off the bench and be a great spark...but essentially we are replacing starters with a bench player and a position we already got covered. its a great deal on paper...3 solid players for 2 that are struggling, but id like to see what else we can put together. raps should make a strong move for magloire. if the hornets lose a few more games, they may press the panic button, and since he's not happy there he could be on the market
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1926133 theres the true link i would have liked this trade for T.O if Nick was involved but he isnt, the players involved r Abdur Rahim, Stephania and Derek Anderson, the raptors giving up Rose Carter n two unamed players why so many raptors for a bunch of washed up blazers? actually i take that back, Shareef has been a star for his last 2 teams not including the blazers, but if givin spotlight alongside Bosh, he can drop 24 and 12 in a smaller eastern conference. this might be interesting, i think the raptors would actually benefit
ouch...stepania!? last thing we need is an unproductive big man. i really hope this trade doesnt go through
John Nash said no trade offer is on the table so basically no trade seems to be going down between the two teams. Either that or he is not willing to say unless the deal goes down.
This trade isn't good for TO... they are losing 2 players that are capable of scoring 15 points on any given night if they actually try, and all the get back is Reef who hasn't proven he can lead a team, DA who is overpaid also with Stepania who is unproductive like some1 said above , so yeah thats a big rip off for toronto
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">John Nash said no trade offer is on the table so basically no trade seems to be going down between the two teams. Either that or he is not willing to say unless the deal goes down.</div> uhhh duh hes not gonna say they are trading unless its a sure thing.
actually they r losing 2 players that are capable of scoring 20 pt every given night...and if vince would actullay care..he would still be tearing the league apart..... but i hope this trade doesn't go through...bc we already got rfaer and bosh and donyell who play the pos Reef and NVE play
think about the BLAZERS if the trade happens PG-Rose SG-Carter SF-Miles PF-Randolph C-Ratliff or PG-Stoudamire SG-Rose SF-Carter PF-Randolph C-Ratliff either way, sick
This is a good trade IMO. Just hoping that D.A is involved as well. I heard it's SAR, N.VanExel, Qyntel and Stephania though. I would actually like that trade. vince is playing absolutely horrible right now. He's playing with no heart. He doesn't care, we want him out of here. As DJ said, I'm surprised they are even offering this much for Vince. I forgot about Jalen though. I don't really want to give up Jalen because I love the way he plays but oh well, life goes on.