<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DMiles4MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">uhhh duh hes not gonna say they are trading unless its a sure thing.</div> Whenever a trade rumour has come up before Nash has always said "no comment, I don't like to disuss trade rumours" but to say the rumour is false makes you wonder. However, the fact this trade has come from ESPN has made me think this deal may truely be in the works. As bad as VC is playing, alot of that has to do with him wanting to leave Toronto. NO players generally play well when they don't want to be on the team they are on. If moved I would expect Vince to become a 20 point scorer again. And yes with this trade, Portland becomes very good and should make the playoffs but you never know in the wild west. Portland have struggled scoring and this would give them an inside, outside game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DMiles4MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">think about the BLAZERS if the trade happens PG-Rose SG-Carter SF-Miles PF-Randolph C-Ratliff or PG-Stoudamire SG-Rose SF-Carter PF-Randolph C-Ratliff either way, sick</div> Look at the lineups, thats a nice trade 4 the blazers. And ya Anderson is involved. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1926133
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DMiles4MVP:</div><div class="quote_post"> PG-Stoudamire SG-Rose SF-Carter PF-Randolph C-Ratliff </div> thats the more likely of the two. rose is a turnover machine when he handles the ball as a pg.
Vc According to ESPN.com's Stephen A. Smith "in exchange for Carter, Jalen Rose and two other unnamed players, Toronto would receive forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim, center Vladimir Stepania and guard Derek Anderson from Portland." Contrary to some of what i have seen on this sight there was no mention of draft picks being exchanged.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DMiles4MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">think about the BLAZERS if the trade happens PG-Rose SG-Carter SF-Miles PF-Randolph C-Ratliff or PG-Stoudamire SG-Rose SF-Carter PF-Randolph C-Ratliff either way, sick</div> Yah SICK, blazer fans will have to endure countless jumpers from both VC and Jalen, instead of dishing downlow to ZR, their REAL franchise player. IF you dont watch a lot of raptor games, and just believe in hype, than VC is your man, but VC is playing like a total scrub, taking stupid jumpers, never taking it to the hole, and avoids contact like hes in the WNBA. He might not be happy and his play is suffering, but what does that tell you about his HEART...he has none. Reef is not happy, but he is still playing well, considering hes out of position in portland. I hope the raps do this deal in a heartbeat, best offer babcock has gotten so far. This also frees up cap room, and get rid of Jalens monster contract, and we might be able to nab a free agent in the offseason. Joe Johnson would look good in a rap uniform.
i disagree ^^ Vince is playing like a scrub ON PURPOSE. he doesnt want to be playing for the Raptors, and wants out no matter what. and its working! watch when he gets traded, the old Vince will re-appear
good luck with VC, if what you want is a pu$$y like vince...if he is playing like this on purpose, what does that tell you about him? Reef wants to get traded, but he still plays hard, Ray Allen wants out of Seattle, and he's tearing it up. Good luck when ZR wants the ball and VC shoots a fadeaway 3 with 2 men on him...
I think it's a good trade for both teams. TO is getting killed on points in the paint. SAR helps us out there. We need a real back up for Raefer, palacio is freaking crazy! I can't even watch him on the floor he drives me so nuts! VC is a superstar. But he's not playing like it. You don't pay a 35% shooter averaging 16 pts a game 12 million. I like Rose, but he's making 14 million and they both have 2 yrs left on their contracts! Are the Raps going to get better with these two? Probably not. I think the timing is right. Let VC go. If you can drop Rose's contract, that's a bonus. I think VC will explode in the US. He thrives on publicity. He's not going to do it in TO. I think that's becoming obvious.
I don't see why the Raptors would do this. Shareef has proven that he cannot be a go-to guy and win games. We saw evidence of this in Vancouver and in Atlanta, what makes you think that it's going to be any different in Toronto? Also, he wanted to get out of the Blazers situation because he doesn't like playing the 3 position, so why would the Raptors trade for him when they have a tremendous talent filling that position already in Chris Bosh? Finally, you have to look at the other part of the deal where the Raptors are going to give up Jalen Rose and two other - albeit unnamed - players. If the deal mentioned was just for Vince Carter and some throw-ins, I might say that it's somewhat fair, but I really doubt that this deal is going to go through seeing how Shareef Abdur-Rahim is not going to put asses in seats.
If this trade happens, it'll be for financial reasons. At least from our side. The last thing the Blazers need is another perimeter player who can't be effective if the ball is not in his hands, which would obviously slow down the Zach's devolpment. A backcourt of Vince, Jalen, Nick, and Damon, you have four guys who are below average defenders and MUST have the ball in their hands to be effective. Let alone the fact that Vince and Jalen will be making about 29 Million dollars a year on average over the next three seasons. Nash has to surround Zach with decent defenders and pure shooters to make the recipe work. If I were the GM, I'd use the enormous cap space next summer (off Nick's and SAR's contracts), I'd try to implement good role players/shooters around Zach and Sebastian, and try to get Redd and Simmons in the offseason if possible (Also, if I could ditch Damon for a 2nd rounder, I'd do it). But this the problem with many GM's, they don't look long term (and I don't mean John Paxon's way). Good luck to Vince wherever he lands.
Van Exel will be in this trade, hopefully.. he's been playing horrible. Blazers DEPTH will be great if this goes through. PG-Stoudamire/Rose/Telfair SG-Carter/Anderson/Miles/Frahm SF-Rose/Miles/Patterson PF-Randolph/Patterson(vs smaller teams)/Outlaw C-Ratliff/Pryzbilla/Randolph(vs smaller teams) thats assuming Anderson doesnt get involved, if so, thats even more minutes for Miles/Patterson :mrgreen:
Its official the trade is gonna happen,,, he got traded 15 mins ago... im at school right now(in the computer lab) VC and JR got traded for reef Nick Van Exel, Dereck Anderson and vladimir stephania= A lot of cap space next year.(ray Allen WELCOM TO T-DOT) www.foxsport.com
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dunkzilla20:</div><div class="quote_post">Its official the trade is gonna happen,,, he got traded 15 mins ago... im at school right now(in the computer lab) VC and JR got traded for reef Nick Van Exel, Dereck Anderson and vladimir stephania= A lot of cap space next year.(ray Allen WELCOM TO T-DOT) www.foxsport.com</div> Wrong, there has been no trade confirmed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dunkzilla20:</div><div class="quote_post">Its official the trade is gonna happen,,, he got traded 15 mins ago... im at school right now(in the computer lab) VC and JR got traded for reef Nick Van Exel, Dereck Anderson and vladimir stephania= A lot of cap space next year.(ray Allen WELCOM TO T-DOT) www.foxsport.com</div> IT DOENS"T EVEN WORK OUT CAP WISE YOU MORON DA can't be in it if van exel is you <font color="DarkRed">edit</font> little liar. <font color="DarkRed">Please, no cursing on the boards, as it is against the JBB Guidelines. Please, refer to those if you are unsure of what is and isn't appropriate. Thanks. Moo2K4 Moderator</font>
^ Watch the language! After all we're talking about Basketball, so there's no need of using expletive language!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cdubbz4webber:</div><div class="quote_post">IT DOENS"T EVEN WORK OUT CAP WISE YOU MORON DA can't be in it if van exel is you <font color="DarkRed">edit</font> little liar.</div> Uncalled for. Although it really is annoying when people say that trades have been confirmed when they haven't. Especially on a site where most of us watch/read ESPN/ESPN.com, and we know when the trades happen and when people are just lying.
Earlier tonight, Stephen A. Smith (so again, its all about who you believe) was saying that Reef has some hesitation about going back to Canada after what happened in Vancouver so they were looking to get a third team involved, possibly Memphis with Mike Miller and Bonzi Wells.