<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pinetar @ Mar 11 2008, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter is what he is. The problem is that he's the Nets best player, and that's not his fault. When the Sixers still had Iverson, the fans were delighted with Iguodala. After Iverson was traded, the fans started trashing Iguodala when the team remained mediocre. Iguodala actually stepped up his game, but the fans' expectations went through the roof. It's pointless to blame Carter because he can't lead the team to success. Ray Allen could not carry the Sonics by himself. Paul Pierce couldn't do it for the Celtics, and Kevin Garnett never saw the second round with the Timberwolves. But you don't see Celtics fans trashing any of those stars now because together they and their supporting cast are getting it done. To those who would dump Carter for expiring contracts: how would you upgrade the Nets shooting guard position? What SGs are better than Carter, and how do you realistically expect to acquire them for the Nets?</div> true those guys couldn't get it done, but they also didn't have a top 5 PG and an all-star SF playing with them either....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pinetar @ Mar 11 2008, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter is what he is. The problem is that he's the Nets best player, and that's not his fault. When the Sixers still had Iverson, the fans were delighted with Iguodala. After Iverson was traded, the fans started trashing Iguodala when the team remained mediocre. Iguodala actually stepped up his game, but the fans' expectations went through the roof. It's pointless to blame Carter because he can't lead the team to success. Ray Allen could not carry the Sonics by himself. Paul Pierce couldn't do it for the Celtics, and Kevin Garnett never saw the second round with the Timberwolves. But you don't see Celtics fans trashing any of those stars now because together they and their supporting cast are getting it done. To those who would dump Carter for expiring contracts: how would you upgrade the Nets shooting guard position? What SGs are better than Carter, and how do you realistically expect to acquire them for the Nets?</div> The flip side is that when the Nets should be ready to be a contending team, it won't be that difficult to find a better SG. The Nets aren't a short term team anymore and moving a depreciating asset for appreciating assets is what they need to do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purplehaze89 @ Mar 11 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>a bunch of toronto and carter haters badmouthing a dude talking to his cousin? At least he didn't fake migraines.</div> Not too many people here will mention that, they'll just blame Carter for everything that's going wrong with the team, if they can't core it's because of him, if they can't play defense it's because of him, all this VC bashing is getting tired
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purplehaze89 @ Mar 11 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>a bunch of toronto and carter haters badmouthing a dude talking to his cousin? At least he didn't fake migraines.</div> Not too many people here will mention that, they'll just blame Carter for everything that's going wrong with the team, if they can't core it's because of him, if they can't play defense it's because of him, all this VC bashing is getting tired </div> so you don't think he's a fairweather player?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ Mar 11 2008, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purplehaze89 @ Mar 11 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>a bunch of toronto and carter haters badmouthing a dude talking to his cousin? At least he didn't fake migraines.</div> Not too many people here will mention that, they'll just blame Carter for everything that's going wrong with the team, if they can't core it's because of him, if they can't play defense it's because of him, all this VC bashing is getting tired </div> so you don't think he's a fairweather player? </div> Vince is who he is I think a lot of us want him to be this unfeeling killer ball player, that's just not his personality, he goes out there plays hurt, does what he can to contribute. I've been saying for a while now that if your best player does not get the ball during critical streches of the game then that's a problem, I think this team truly and honestly needs a coaching change, it just looks like this team is not responding to Frank. Vince has been playing hurt all season, he's not faking injuries to sit out, he's out there playing, some of the poster on here sound like a bunch of bitter Raptors fans honestly
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ Mar 11 2008, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purplehaze89 @ Mar 11 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>a bunch of toronto and carter haters badmouthing a dude talking to his cousin? At least he didn't fake migraines.</div> Not too many people here will mention that, they'll just blame Carter for everything that's going wrong with the team, if they can't core it's because of him, if they can't play defense it's because of him, all this VC bashing is getting tired </div> so you don't think he's a fairweather player? </div> Vince is who he is I think a lot of us want him to be this unfeeling killer ball player, that's just not his personality, he goes out there plays hurt, does what he can to contribute. I've been saying for a while now that if your best player does not get the ball during critical streches of the game then that's a problem, I think this team truly and honestly needs a coaching change, it just looks like this team is not responding to Frank. Vince has been playing hurt all season, he's not faking injuries to sit out, he's out there playing, some of the poster on here sound like a bunch of bitter Raptors fans honestly </div> that's cause he's starting to act like he did in his final year and a half in T.O. with great indifference. when the going gets hard, Vince Crumbles 99% of the time IMO.
lmfao, its rly funny a few weeks ago, i said VC sucks, and NJ fans were bitchin at me, now you see what i mean, VC isnt a professional bball player, his as good as KVH!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ Mar 11 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ Mar 11 2008, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purplehaze89 @ Mar 11 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>a bunch of toronto and carter haters badmouthing a dude talking to his cousin? At least he didn't fake migraines.</div> Not too many people here will mention that, they'll just blame Carter for everything that's going wrong with the team, if they can't core it's because of him, if they can't play defense it's because of him, all this VC bashing is getting tired </div> so you don't think he's a fairweather player? </div> Vince is who he is I think a lot of us want him to be this unfeeling killer ball player, that's just not his personality, he goes out there plays hurt, does what he can to contribute. I've been saying for a while now that if your best player does not get the ball during critical streches of the game then that's a problem, I think this team truly and honestly needs a coaching change, it just looks like this team is not responding to Frank. Vince has been playing hurt all season, he's not faking injuries to sit out, he's out there playing, some of the poster on here sound like a bunch of bitter Raptors fans honestly </div> that's cause he's starting to act like he did in his final year and a half in T.O. with great indifference. when the going gets hard, Vince Crumbles 99% of the time IMO. </div> I have to disagree with that, he's not acting like he did his last year and a half in TO, he hasn't sat out with any injuries, he's playing hurt and like I said and this is just my opinion as a player you can't really do anything when the ball doesn't find you, he's the only player on this team that can create his own shot and create for others, if they do trade him, who do you replace with ? Honestly can anyone here asnwer that?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have to disagree with that, he's not acting like he did his last year and a half in TO, he hasn't sat out with any injuries, he's playing hurt and like I said and this is just my opinion as a player you can't really do anything when the ball doesn't find you, he's the only player on this team that can create his own shot and create for others, if they do trade him, who do you replace with ? Honestly can anyone here asnwer that?</div> Lottery picks in 2008 and 2009 plus cap space to make other trades.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>true those guys couldn't get it done, but they also didn't have a top 5 PG and an all-star SF playing with them either....</div> in that case shouldnt the all the core players be blamed but not just VC? Kidd used to be the captain and leader of the team, why isnt anybody blaming him?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 11 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have to disagree with that, he's not acting like he did his last year and a half in TO, he hasn't sat out with any injuries, he's playing hurt and like I said and this is just my opinion as a player you can't really do anything when the ball doesn't find you, he's the only player on this team that can create his own shot and create for others, if they do trade him, who do you replace with ? Honestly can anyone here asnwer that?</div> Lottery picks in 2008 and 2009 plus cap space to make other trades. </div> You really think we can get 2 lottery picks for Vince? I don't. Any teams you have in mind?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Mar 11 2008, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 11 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have to disagree with that, he's not acting like he did his last year and a half in TO, he hasn't sat out with any injuries, he's playing hurt and like I said and this is just my opinion as a player you can't really do anything when the ball doesn't find you, he's the only player on this team that can create his own shot and create for others, if they do trade him, who do you replace with ? Honestly can anyone here asnwer that?</div> Lottery picks in 2008 and 2009 plus cap space to make other trades. </div> You really think we can get 2 lottery picks for Vince? I don't. Any teams you have in mind? </div> Not what I was saying. The Nets picks in 2008 and 2009 will most likely be lottery picks which would be the talent to replace Vince. Vince would be traded for expiring contracts in my scenario.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Mar 11 2008, 06:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Armstrong isn't being paid 213431312 million dollars and didn't even play in this game.</div> So what about how much he's getting paid? Armstrong is considered one the leaders on the team along with Jefferson and Carter and he also went over and did the same thing with Tmac after the game. Vince and Armstrong aren't the only ones who do it, it happens around the league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ Mar 11 2008, 07:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>do you guys realise how much you sound like Raptors fans from VC's last year, year and half in T.O.??? the guy is weak mentally and like the Tin Man has not heart. he's all tough and great when things are going his way and the least bit of adversity and he backs down. He's a quitter and I have no respect for him.</div> This is just plain ignorant talk. The fact is, when things started to look bleak and adversity hit, it's when Carter HAS helped lift the Nets out of it over the years. When he got to Jersey in the 04/05 season the Nets were several games below .500 and Kidd was coming back from microfracture surgery. Then RJ injured his hand and had to have surgery missing the rest of the regular season. The roster was filled with a bunch of guys that are not even in the league right now. But they made an amazing run to get into the playoffs and Vince was the primary reason for it. In 05/06 they got off to a slow 9-12 start but then went on a 10 game win streak with Carter fueling it with his play and helping turning the season around. Last season Krstic went down with a knee injury and was out for the rest of the season. RJ was struggling with ankle problems and eventually needed surgery and the Nets were in danger of missing the playoffs. But Carter carried them down the stretch with a player of the month honour and they captured the 6th seed and a first round matchup with the Raptors who they knocked out in the first round. So you're wrong and have no clue what you're talking about.
He has no heart and is too unselfish. He doesn't look to score as much as he looks to pass. He is still a star player, when he wants to be.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 11 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Mar 11 2008, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 11 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have to disagree with that, he's not acting like he did his last year and a half in TO, he hasn't sat out with any injuries, he's playing hurt and like I said and this is just my opinion as a player you can't really do anything when the ball doesn't find you, he's the only player on this team that can create his own shot and create for others, if they do trade him, who do you replace with ? Honestly can anyone here asnwer that?</div> Lottery picks in 2008 and 2009 plus cap space to make other trades. </div> You really think we can get 2 lottery picks for Vince? I don't. Any teams you have in mind? </div> Not what I was saying. The Nets picks in 2008 and 2009 will most likely be lottery picks which would be the talent to replace Vince. Vince would be traded for expiring contracts in my scenario. </div> Oh, okay. What would you trade him for? Filler and how many picks and what round?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Mar 11 2008, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh, okay. What would you trade him for? Filler and how many picks and what round?</div> Thorn's standards are much higher than mine, so it is pointless for me to speculate.
I don't know whatelse to say, everyone has an opinion on Vince and what kind of player he should be, If he was a selfish player everyone on you that are tearing into him would say get him off this team becasue he is not a team player, He tries to help everyone by creating for them and he doesn't look to hog the ball but he is a heartless wimp? c'mon WTF. Everyone desrves blame for this season and the way it's turned out, I'm a big Kidd fan but the way he left this team left a bad taste in my mouth, the "migraine" episode was inexcusable. I'm not not going to bash Vince. I'll keep asking the question, Can someone name me another player who the Nets can get in free agency this summer to replace him with, someone who will replace his scoring and playmaking ability?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know whatelse to say, everyone has an opinion on Vince and what kind of player he should be, If he was a selfish player everyone on you that are tearing into him would say get him off this team becasue he is not a team player, He tries to help everyone by creating for them and he doesn't look to hog the ball but he is a heartless wimp? c'mon WTF. Everyone desrves blame for this season and the way it's turned out, I'm a big Kidd fan but the way he left this team left a bad taste in my mouth, the "migraine" episode was inexcusable. I'm not not going to bash Vince. I'll keep asking the question, Can someone name me another player who the Nets can get in free agency this summer to replace him with, someone who will replace his scoring and playmaking ability?</div> Why does it have to be free agency, and why do we have to replace him this summer? And why couldn't we get multiple players who can score and has playmaking abilities?
