<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know whatelse to say, everyone has an opinion on Vince and what kind of player he should be, If he was a selfish player everyone on you that are tearing into him would say get him off this team becasue he is not a team player, He tries to help everyone by creating for them and he doesn't look to hog the ball but he is a heartless wimp? c'mon WTF. Everyone desrves blame for this season and the way it's turned out, I'm a big Kidd fan but the way he left this team left a bad taste in my mouth, the "migraine" episode was inexcusable. I'm not not going to bash Vince. I'll keep asking the question, Can someone name me another player who the Nets can get in free agency this summer to replace him with, someone who will replace his scoring and playmaking ability?</div> We don't need him to create shots for other players. Clearly that isn't helping the team. What he needs to do is start playing like a superstar. Carter needs to get aggressive and drive the ball. How hard is that to comprehend? I'm not blaming him for the season either, even though he's playing like a goddamn role player. No one needs that from a guy who's making 60 million over the next few years. Replace his scoring? Not many players can, but considering Carter plays hard only half of the time, does it matter?
The argument about Carter's "heart" will remain a mystery to me, since I distinguish heart from consistency. Criticism usually (really, always) comes after he has bad games; specifically, shooting wise. To say it's a motivation might be a stretch; is it that he's not focusing enough about his release during his jumpshot motions? I'd be interested in what your specific perceptions are. In what ways do you see Vince dogging it?
I don't know if you're specifically talking to me, but I'll answer anyway. I think my previous post pretty much answers your question. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Vince Carter is enjoying himself now. When Kidd was around, Carter would constantly be criticized about not driving to the basket. Jason would put pressure on Carter, and obviously Vince doesn't like it. VC doesn't care about winning a championship. He just wants to play his game, and earn money. Now he has that opportunity. What's Frank going to do? Bench him?</div>
Joker I wasn't addressing you specifically, merely asking for specific insight from everybody. I won't argue that it takes more effort to drive into the paint the way he does, and he doesn't do that as much lately, I can't blame him in this context (this context being after the Houston game). We still need shooting on this team, and our inability to hit the 3 last game makes me wonder if an issue as simple as 'consistency' was causing some confounding on people's perceptions of his effort.
for me i dont put all of the blame on carter... its true in the previous post... our team cannot shoot the ball even when they are WIDE OPEN... we get so many good looks and its BRICK after BRICK... i mean even with no defensive pressure... boki, rj, harris, m.williams, krstic and even carter cant make open shots... so when a team cant shoot from outside... the oposing team makes defensive adjustments and just clogs the middle to defend the drive... heh...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Mar 11 2008, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know whatelse to say, everyone has an opinion on Vince and what kind of player he should be, If he was a selfish player everyone on you that are tearing into him would say get him off this team becasue he is not a team player, He tries to help everyone by creating for them and he doesn't look to hog the ball but he is a heartless wimp? c'mon WTF. Everyone desrves blame for this season and the way it's turned out, I'm a big Kidd fan but the way he left this team left a bad taste in my mouth, the "migraine" episode was inexcusable. I'm not not going to bash Vince. I'll keep asking the question, Can someone name me another player who the Nets can get in free agency this summer to replace him with, someone who will replace his scoring and playmaking ability?</div> Why does it have to be free agency, and why do we have to replace him this summer? And why couldn't we get multiple players who can score and has playmaking abilities? </div> Ok name them, That's all I'm asking
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 12 2008, 01:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Mar 11 2008, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 11 2008, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know whatelse to say, everyone has an opinion on Vince and what kind of player he should be, If he was a selfish player everyone on you that are tearing into him would say get him off this team becasue he is not a team player, He tries to help everyone by creating for them and he doesn't look to hog the ball but he is a heartless wimp? c'mon WTF. Everyone desrves blame for this season and the way it's turned out, I'm a big Kidd fan but the way he left this team left a bad taste in my mouth, the "migraine" episode was inexcusable. I'm not not going to bash Vince. I'll keep asking the question, Can someone name me another player who the Nets can get in free agency this summer to replace him with, someone who will replace his scoring and playmaking ability?</div> Why does it have to be free agency, and why do we have to replace him this summer? And why couldn't we get multiple players who can score and has playmaking abilities? </div> Ok name them, That's all I'm asking </div> Ricky Davis, Spreewell, Trenton Hassell, Marko Yaric, Sam Cassell, Troy Hudson, etc.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Legacy @ Mar 11 2008, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He has no heart and is too unselfish. He doesn't look to score as much as he looks to pass. He is still a star player, when he wants to be.</div> Exectly, he is not a professional baller, his just a player, and watch next year he'll be traded to the knicks!!
When healthy, Vince Carter doesn't drive to the hoop enough, doesn't play enough defense and doesn't run the fast break (although who knows if that'll change with a new point guard). I think all of these things are true, I think it's hard to build a successful team around considering the size of his contract, and I really hope the Nets trade him when they can get fair value for him. With all of that said, the man is playing hurt for a terrible basketball team. You guys really want to complain that he isn't pushing his body to extreme limits so that the Nets might earn the distinction of being the worst ever NBA team to make the playoffs. I mean, even D-Wade shut it down this year. Vince has his moments where he drives me nuts, but this isn't one of them. This is just called rebuilding, and it's got a lot more to do with the talent on the floor than the effort being put in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Mar 12 2008, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince has his moments where he drives me nuts, but this isn't one of them. This is just called rebuilding, and it's got a lot more to do with the talent on the floor than the effort being put in.</div> dude did u see how he played in toronto? they were rebuilding too, he'll ask to be traded soon
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bigkallday @ Mar 12 2008, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Mar 12 2008, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince has his moments where he drives me nuts, but this isn't one of them. This is just called rebuilding, and it's got a lot more to do with the talent on the floor than the effort being put in.</div> dude did u see how he played in toronto? they were rebuilding too, he'll ask to be traded soon </div> He doesn't need to ask. And trading him is easier said than done.
The guy is pushing himself to the limit, this team is playing horrible, the coaching is terrible, I mean the people posting on this subject, what would you like to Vince to do? Honestly and he's not going to ask to be traded, Ratner wont allow it and I still haven't recieved an answer on what player or players can you get to replace him?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 12 2008, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The guy is pushing himself to the limit, this team is playing horrible, the coaching is terrible, I mean the people posting on this subject, what would you like to Vince to do? Honestly and he's not going to ask to be traded, Ratner wont allow it and I still haven't recieved an answer on what player or players can you get to replace him?</div> Sure you did. The answer is that isn't important because this team is about building for the future. It isn't about replacing production, rather it is about asset management.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 12 2008, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Mar 12 2008, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The guy is pushing himself to the limit, this team is playing horrible, the coaching is terrible, I mean the people posting on this subject, what would you like to Vince to do? Honestly and he's not going to ask to be traded, Ratner wont allow it and I still haven't recieved an answer on what player or players can you get to replace him?</div> Sure you did. The answer is that isn't important because this team is about building for the future. It isn't about replacing production, rather it is about asset management. </div> I understand where you're coming from but for me it's getting tiresome to read all these post bashing Vince, In my honest opinion I don't see him going anywhere this summer, I can see Thorn changing the coaching staff around, maybe not Frank but his assistants, I don't think you can keep trading players away season after season, it's evident that this team and the team before the trade wasn't/isn't responding to Frank. I can't sit here and blame Vince for this teams struggles on offense or defense , everyone should be held accountable but they're not, Kidd faked (I sincerely believe he did) a migraine becasue he didn't recieve and extension
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Mar 10 2008, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly, why should he care? This team is horrible. Nobody on the team cares about the season anymore; he isn't alone. I'm not defending all the man's actions, but if you're going to criticize him, then criticize everyone else as well.</div> GOD BLESS YOU, SIR!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King John da FiF @ Mar 12 2008, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Mar 10 2008, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly, why should he care? This team is horrible. Nobody on the team cares about the season anymore; he isn't alone. I'm not defending all the man's actions, but if you're going to criticize him, then criticize everyone else as well.</div> GOD BLESS YOU, SIR! </div> HERE HERE
Singling out Carter is absurd. The man is upping his all-around game while playing on a bum ankle. Give it a rest. He brings more to the table than scoring. (See his rebounding and shotblocking and playmaking today when his shot was off). This team is playing and shooting horrifically. How many touches does Carter now get per game? He isn't even the primary scoring option anyway. RJ has assumed that mantle and is doing a good job of putting the ball into the bucket. He doens't provide much else, but thats where Carter's versatility come into play in creating shots for others.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bigkallday @ Mar 12 2008, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Mar 12 2008, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince has his moments where he drives me nuts, but this isn't one of them. This is just called rebuilding, and it's got a lot more to do with the talent on the floor than the effort being put in.</div> dude did u see how he played in toronto? they were rebuilding too, he'll ask to be traded soon </div> I did see how he played in Toronto. And I can see how he's playing now. And from that information, I deduce that he is, in fact, not dogging it, but is actually hurt. Besides, half the reason he wanted to leave Toronto is because he didn't want to deal with getting an ass-whipping from Sam Mitchell every other day. I like Lawrence Frank, but Carter's not going to have that problem in Jersey.
