<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not understanding why it's important that the Magic would be bad if they didn't have Howard.</div> Well, attributing success to how wonderful a piece Rashard is, when there are many players that could fill that role and get paid a lot less than 120 mill over 6 years. Dwight is the very important piece and without him the team would fall apart.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not understanding why it's important that the Magic would be bad if they didn't have Howard.</div> Seriously. What would the Cavs be without LeBron, they also got lucky getting him. The Magic didn't get lucky. The had an awful season, went into rebuilding mode by shipping McGrady, and then selected Howard over Okafor which was a big risk that paid off. It was a smart move in their part, not lucky.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not understanding why it's important that the Magic would be bad if they didn't have Howard.</div> Because shit happens. (and the point was you can't compare building the Nets with Kidd to building the Magic around Howard.) If you are talking about how brilliantly put together a team is you have to consider the consequences if the main player goes down. You take Kobe off the Lakers for a month and they still will be very competitive. Same with Duncan on the Spurs and Garnett on the Celtics. Howard goes down for a month and they will be awful. That is not a well built roster. Given time they could be, but will Lewis' contract eventually limit what they can do? Time will tell.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swish @ Apr 15 2008, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not understanding why it's important that the Magic would be bad if they didn't have Howard.</div> Seriously. What would the Cavs be without LeBron, they also got lucky getting him. The Magic didn't get lucky. The had an awful season, went into rebuilding mode by shipping McGrady, and then selected Howard over Okafor which was a big risk that paid off. It was a smart move in their part, not lucky. </div> It was lucky considering how number 1 picks don't always turn out to what they're expected to be. How many number one picks that came straight from high school have worked out? 1 Lebron James. Given, there have only been two, him and Kwame Brown, but high schoolers don't work out more often than they do work out. Therefore, the did get somewhat lucky.
Take the best player off any team and they have no chance in hell of winning a championship so all your arguments about Howard going down are pointless.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 15 2008, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not understanding why it's important that the Magic would be bad if they didn't have Howard.</div> Because shit happens. (and the point was you can't compare building the Nets with Kidd to building the Magic around Howard.) If you are talking about how brilliantly put together a team is you have to consider the consequences if the main player goes down. You take Kobe off the Lakers for a month and they still will be very competitive. Same with Duncan on the Spurs and Garnett on the Celtics. Howard goes down for a month and they will be awful. That is not a well built roster. Given time they could be, but will Lewis' contract eventually limit what they can do? Time will tell. </div> No, a well built roster is one that takes advantage of and compliments the best player on the team. If Kobe is out, the Lakers aren't a playoff team. If Duncan is out, the Spurs aren't a playoff team. The Celtics are in the East, so they don't count.
The Magic won 50 games with zero PF and zero PG on the roster and Adonyl Foyle as the only backup big man. Tell me again about all the flaws in the roster and all the mistakes Oti Smith made, smart people.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 16 2008, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Magic won 50 games with zero PF and zero PG on the roster and Adonyl Foyle as the only backup big man. Tell me again about all the flaws in the roster and all the mistakes Oti Smith made, smart people.</div> I thought you said the whole team worked well as a unit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Magic won 50 games with zero PF and zero PG on the roster and Adonyl Foyle as the only backup big man. Tell me again about all the flaws in the roster and all the mistakes Oti Smith made, smart people.</div> When did you join SVG's PR staff?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Take the best player off any team and they have no chance in hell of winning a championship so all your arguments about Howard going down are pointless.</div> Yea, but Orlando without Howard and they wouldn't even make playoffs. However I could see Detroit making playoffs without Billups. I could see Boston make playoffs without KG. I couldn't see Orlando making it without Dwight, nor Cleveland without Lebron.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Apr 15 2008, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 16 2008, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Magic won 50 games with zero PF and zero PG on the roster and Adonyl Foyle as the only backup big man. Tell me again about all the flaws in the roster and all the mistakes Oti Smith made, smart people.</div> I thought you said the whole team worked well as a unit. </div> And how does what he described not a unit that works well together? Worked well <> perfect at every position
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>SVG got a good hand. He's happy with his GM. Lawrence Frank just keeps grabbing his ankles for his.</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rory @ Apr 15 2008, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 15 2008, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is a reason why there isn't much of a market for Vince Carter.</div> Please, don't stop there! There is a reason why no Vince Carter team has won 50 games in the regular season. There is a reason why no Vince Carter team has made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs. There is a reason why Vince Carter gets booed the most by his former team, 3 years and counting, than any other player in the league. But please, Vince supporters, keep telling me how important 20/5/5 is. </div> That shit's played out.Did Tmac ever pass the 1st round? Yall VC haters need to find something else 2 do.
I think the way to judge whether a player is worth the money is by looking at what he "produces for the team" God knows Carter aint a Garnett type player. Thats why he is only earning 13mil, tht is 31st in the leaugue, behind Marbury, Jo'neal and much more guys who arent worth that much money. But I havent heard people saying they are overpayed, its not like their teams are winning as well. Without Carter team wins = 0 With Carter= at least 30 That shows what Carter can produce, More wins. Not like we are winning 50%, but it shows that the team has a bigger percentage of winning with carter. If Lewis was playing on a losing team, everybody would say he is overpaid(earning top 15 money). Now that he has a solid team with a superstar big, he shines with a very very good team and he is not being overpaid. Carter does not even earn top 30 money, he doesnt have a good constructed team for him to play with, i'd say he is worth 13mil.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (logik15 @ Apr 14 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Apr 14 2008, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he is declining at an alarming rate, his athletic ability os deteriorating due to bad knees. his contract will end up being a bad one soon enough</div> he is declining at an alarming rate?? how is it alarming? he averages the same FG%, same rebounds, more assists, better free throw %. How do you explain that he is declining at an alarming rate? he averages 2 shots less per game thats it and it could be due to the bum ankle that he's been playing through pretty much the whole season. His athleticsm is almost uncomparable too which I believe would let him maintain his averages for still a couple of years more. </div> cmon, stats aside, vince from 3 years ago or the vince from toronto would have carried a team. right now, he's a do it all star. he wont score 40 or be a threat to have a HUGE scoring night. his rebound and passing have improved due to him realizing he needs to use his smarts instead of the high wire act
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 15 2008, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, a well built roster is one that takes advantage of and compliments the best player on the team. If Kobe is out, the Lakers aren't a playoff team. If Duncan is out, the Spurs aren't a playoff team. The Celtics are in the East, so they don't count.</div> Half correct. A well built roster takes advantage of and compliments the best player AND can weather the storm when that player goes down for a period of time. Of course the Lakers and Spurs are not a playoff teams without those 2, but they aren't as bad as the Magic without Howard. Over 20 games without their best player the Spurs and Lakers would probably be about .500. Magic would be lucky to win 3 games.
