<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 14 2008, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 14 2008, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And your take on the Magic we can just revisit in a few years and laugh at how silly you sound.</div> Be happy to. But I'll be the one laughing. </div> One of us admires Otis Smith for having a good plan and sticking to it, and one of us has a little grudge involving some "fool's gold". So let's just wait and see, shall we?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 14 2008, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Apr 14 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe do a trade with Memphis to land Mike Miller, save them some cap room, or get Nocioni (they have Tyrus, and Joakim Noah). Sign Magette if he opts out. Try to trade for Gasol, Brand, Charlie V.</div> They didn't want those players. They wanted Rashard Lewis. You can't tell me they were wrong because they had a great season and they aren't nearly done with their roster. This team had a vision of what they wanted to do and it's working. Listening to fans and media is worthless. They'll get on board with you when you win. </div> I definitely think they were wrong. You make it seem like Rashard Lewis was perfect for Orlando. I think if he signed for an average of 10 mill per year, it would have been a reasonable signing and yes it would have been the right move. Signing Lewis to a superstar contract, when he is almost a borderline allstar, just is a bad move. I think there are organizations that have cap problems or are looking to rebuild that Orlando could have made a trade for a SF with a reasonable contract and saved some of that 120 million. I think Orlando would have been the #3 seed this year anyway without Rashard, Dwight has made a big improvement, and as a result its gotten more open looks to teammates.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 15 2008, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is a reason why there isn't much of a market for Vince Carter.</div> ah come on. dont be THAT guy
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Apr 15 2008, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 14 2008, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Apr 14 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe do a trade with Memphis to land Mike Miller, save them some cap room, or get Nocioni (they have Tyrus, and Joakim Noah). Sign Magette if he opts out. Try to trade for Gasol, Brand, Charlie V.</div> They didn't want those players. They wanted Rashard Lewis. You can't tell me they were wrong because they had a great season and they aren't nearly done with their roster. This team had a vision of what they wanted to do and it's working. Listening to fans and media is worthless. They'll get on board with you when you win. </div> I think Orlando would have been the #3 seed this year anyway without Rashard, Dwight has made a big improvement, and as a result its gotten more open looks to teammates. </div> Are you familiar with the Magic at all? How do you propose they would be the #3 seed without Rashard Lewis?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 02:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Apr 15 2008, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 14 2008, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Apr 14 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe do a trade with Memphis to land Mike Miller, save them some cap room, or get Nocioni (they have Tyrus, and Joakim Noah). Sign Magette if he opts out. Try to trade for Gasol, Brand, Charlie V.</div> They didn't want those players. They wanted Rashard Lewis. You can't tell me they were wrong because they had a great season and they aren't nearly done with their roster. This team had a vision of what they wanted to do and it's working. Listening to fans and media is worthless. They'll get on board with you when you win. </div> I think Orlando would have been the #3 seed this year anyway without Rashard, Dwight has made a big improvement, and as a result its gotten more open looks to teammates. </div> Are you familiar with the Magic at all? How do you propose they would be the #3 seed without Rashard Lewis? </div> Oh, you know. They could start Adonyl Foyle. It'd work great. No wait, even better. Start Redick, move Evans (or Bogans, because who knows if they would've sent away Ariza without Lewis) to SF, move Hedo to PF. FTW!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 15 2008, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 15 2008, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is a reason why there isn't much of a market for Vince Carter.</div> ah come on. dont be THAT guy </div> Someone once said honesty is the best policy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 15 2008, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is a reason why there isn't much of a market for Vince Carter.</div> Please, don't stop there! There is a reason why no Vince Carter team has won 50 games in the regular season. There is a reason why no Vince Carter team has made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs. There is a reason why Vince Carter gets booed the most by his former team, 3 years and counting, than any other player in the league. But please, Vince supporters, keep telling me how important 20/5/5 is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Really? How was Hedo doing before someone had to guard Lewis? They work well as a UNIT.</div> oh so they work well as a unit, now lets all overpay the WHOLE unit. Without one of the core players, the team will lose more games.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>L, what determines a player's value is how many games more you will win with him than without him.</div> In that case, shouldnt Vince be at least worth his 13Mil? Wade earns 13Mil, how much has the heat won? The nets could at least win 30 games, with Carter. Without Carter, 0 games. Its fact from the season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rory @ Apr 15 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 15 2008, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is a reason why there isn't much of a market for Vince Carter.</div> Please, don't stop there! There is a reason why no Vince Carter team has won 50 games in the regular season. There is a reason why no Vince Carter team has made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs. There is a reason why Vince Carter gets booed the most by his former team, 3 years and counting, than any other player in the league. But please, Vince supporters, keep telling me how important 20/5/5 is. </div> So its always Vince's fault for his team to not win at least 50 games? the nets won 49 games during 05-06. Mainly because of Carter. The toronto Raptors lead by Vince carter has been to the conference final. The only reason why the Celts are winning is because the have a very good TEAM. TEAM! and you are going to blame carter for everything? Wade is in a hell-hole with a bad team, despite his his superb skill set.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Apr 15 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Really? How was Hedo doing before someone had to guard Lewis? They work well as a UNIT.</div> oh so they work well as a unit, now lets all overpay the WHOLE unit. Without one of the core players, the team will lose more games. </div> This makes no sense. They signed one player. It was a great move. Without it they wouldn't even be in the playoffs and another year of Howard's Magic career would have been wasted. You bunch of Rod Thorns would have signed Jason Kapono at half the cost and lost 20 more games and blamed the coach or Battie's injury or some other bullspit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Apr 15 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Really? How was Hedo doing before someone had to guard Lewis? They work well as a UNIT.</div> oh so they work well as a unit, now lets all overpay the WHOLE unit. Without one of the core players, the team will lose more games. </div> This makes no sense. They signed one player. It was a great move. Without it they wouldn't even be in the playoffs and another year of Howard's Magic career would have been wasted. You bunch of Rod Thorns would have signed Jason Kapono at half the cost and lost 20 more games and blamed the coach or Battie's injury or some other bullspit. </div> Well Hedo is a very important core player for the Magic like Rashard. When they will need to re-sign Hedo is a couple of years, and if he demands 100 mill over 5 years, your thinking is they should give it to him, because he fits well with the team?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Apr 15 2008, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Apr 15 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Really? How was Hedo doing before someone had to guard Lewis? They work well as a UNIT.</div> oh so they work well as a unit, now lets all overpay the WHOLE unit. Without one of the core players, the team will lose more games. </div> This makes no sense. They signed one player. It was a great move. Without it they wouldn't even be in the playoffs and another year of Howard's Magic career would have been wasted. You bunch of Rod Thorns would have signed Jason Kapono at half the cost and lost 20 more games and blamed the coach or Battie's injury or some other bullspit. </div> Well Hedo is a very important core player for the Magic like Rashard. When they will need to re-sign Hedo is a couple of years, and if he demands 100 mill over 5 years, your thinking is they should give it to him, because he fits well with the team? </div> They have lots of time to prepare for that. How is that a reason not to sign Lewis?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Apr 14 2008, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 14 2008, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Really? How was Hedo doing before someone had to guard Lewis? They work well as a UNIT.</div> the reason you dont hear or heard his name in trade rumors is because his contract is laughable that no GM would touch. </div> The reason you don't hear his name in trade rumors is because they are not trying to trade him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 14 2008, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>One of us admires Otis Smith for having a good plan and sticking to it, and one of us has a little grudge involving some "fool's gold". So let's just wait and see, shall we?</div> Waiting and seeing is the only true test. As for the fools gold, when I read the complete context for that statement, it was clear what he meant: mortgaging the team's future in draft picks/youth by trading for a 30 year-old player with a limited window of excellence, when the rest of his core players were so young, was "fools gold". I don't really disagree. According to the Orlando Sentinel, he did in fact inquire about Vince (GM's are notorious liars), although I have no idea how hard he was prepared to go after him. One GM said that (paraphrasing) "everyone knew Vince was gonna stay in Jersey". But if Smith could have signed Carter last summer as a FA had he committed 66 million in guaranteed money over (essentially) 4 seasons (Carter's NJ deal) in lieu of the 118 million he actually committed to Lewis over the next 6, then consider that further proof of Smith's spectacular incompetence. If Carter was in Lewis' place right now, that team would be a serious threat to win the east. As it is, they are not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 15 2008, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If Carter was in Lewis' place right now, that team would be a serious threat to win the east. As it is, they are not.</div> I respect the fact that you rely upon your own judgment of players. However, that doesn't stop me from laughing hysterically at said opinions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 15 2008, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 15 2008, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is a reason why there isn't much of a market for Vince Carter.</div> ah come on. dont be THAT guy </div> What do you mean that guy? It's a very legit point. Look at the market and the offers (in trade, and as a free agent). The GM of the Magic choice to pay Lewis how much more than Carter signed for? There is some reason for this market. When you have a chance to get a better price you don't take it because others want to pay more for their crap? That doesn't justify a price. I have seen in this thread... Carter makes less than Pierce, they have similar production... Ok... and? Anyone here buy a house or a car? Anyone know about supply and demand? Because your neighbor payed more for his house or car... would you do the same realizing you can get the same price? -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Apr 15 2008, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 15 2008, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>L, what determines a player's value is how many games more you will win with him than without him.</div> In that case, shouldnt Vince be at least worth his 13Mil? Wade earns 13Mil, how much has the heat won? The nets could at least win 30 games, with Carter. Without Carter, 0 games. Its fact from the season. </div> [/argument]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 15 2008, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I respect the fact that you rely upon your own judgment of players. However, that doesn't stop me from laughing hysterically at said opinions.</div> I only worry when you agree with me.
