<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MickyEyez:</div><div class="quote_post">i dont agree with the 2nd option, because if we got vince why wouldnt you WANT him to be the first option? dwight would be a very good compliment to vc. IMO it doesn't really matter too much how good the defenders are on the wing, and trust me, carter is more than capable or defending players. i dont know why people are assuming he doesn't D. as long as we have dwight and darko in the middle we are fine. forcing jump shots is playing good defense. it's really simple IMO... IF vince is available and vince WANTS to play in orlando.... championship. edit: this is assuming we have money. the financial side of basketball is something we cant really predict. ie. what if jameer or darko wants to play somewhere else once their contract is up. what exactly are their deals?</div> He can D up alright, but we have Jameer and Hedo. So you think that Hedo, Jameer, and VC can stop the Corey Maggette's of the league from getting to the rim? THat's not even mentioning the upper tier. I don't really understand why you said it didn't matter about wing defense. Dwight isn't a very good defender now. Darko is, but if people can drive in on us all day long then they will get into foul trouble. I just remember back to Johnny Davis and Doc Rivers D where we would give up layup after layup after layup every single game. I don't want to ever see that again and we would have to see it if we started those 3. Richard Jefferson is a good defensive SF, same with Mo Pete, that's why VC was able to mask his defense capablities a little. Hedo Turkoglu is not a good defensive SF. Do you really want Vince Carter guarding the best wing guy on the opposing team? I sure as hell don't. Also this will be a 30+ year old VC, not the 25 year old explosive guy. I would sign him to a less than max deal for 3 years MAX, if we do get him. I don't see us making the Eastern Conference Championship with this lineup, much less winning a championship.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chuck:</div><div class="quote_post">Because Vince is always a question mark and Dwight is an everimproving athletic monster. People don't know this about Dwight but he actually was not born from his mother's womb, but rather chiseled from a block of granite. Not to mention Dwight will be better than Vince very soon, and Dwight's heart is already light years ahead of Vince. WE DO NOT WANT HIM UNLESS IT'S FOR LIKE .. $9-$10 mil</div> how is vince always a question mark? what about vince carter makes him a question mark? if you are going to quote me and make bold statements, please give you reasoning. im not saying that dwight is no good, and its not like i proposed we trade dwight for vince, all im saying is vince is a ridiculously talented player and he would have the right pieces to compliment him (unlike in new jersey where all he has is an OOOLLLD kidd and jefferson). http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/playerpage/20595 you tell me where in the last 3 years he was a question mark.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MickyEyez:</div><div class="quote_post">how is vince always a question mark? what about vince carter makes him a question mark? if you are going to quote me and make bold statements, please give you reasoning. im not saying that dwight is no good, and its not like i proposed we trade dwight for vince, all im saying is vince is a ridiculously talented player and he would have the right pieces to compliment him (unlike in new jersey where all he has is an OOOLLLD kidd and jefferson). http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/playerpage/20595 you tell me where in the last 3 years he was a question mark.</div> He quit on his team in Toronto, that is a big enough question mark to me. That was when Chris Bosh was emerging as the man in Toronto. I don't know if he will take so kindly to being the 2nd option, because I think all Magic fans agree that in order for us to win the championship in a couple of years we need Dwight as involved as possible. btw, read my post in post 21 in this thread.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't see us making the Eastern Conference Championship with this lineup, much less winning a championship.</div> That's why a debate is a debate. I respect your opinions Gators because you have good reasoning behind them. You are right about signing him for a 3 year max deal, and i know he's not young, but man... the guy is sooooo hungry for a championship. Awards and achievements 7-time NBA All-Star selection: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006; was voted in in 2002 but missed the game due to injury 2-time All-NBA: Second Team: 2001 Third Team: 2000 NBA Slam Dunk Champion 2000 NBA All-Rookie First Team: 1999 NBA Rookie of the Year Award: 1999 The Sporting News NBA Rookie of the Year: 1999 NBA playoff records Co-holds NBA playoff record for most three-point field goals made in one game with 9 (May 11, 2001 vs. Philadelphia 76ers, Eastern Conference Finals). Holds NBA playoff record for most three-point field goals made in one half with 8 (same game as above). Holds NBA playoff record for most consecutive three-point field goals made in one game with 8 (same game as above). Holds NBA playoff record for most consecutive three-point field goals made in one half with 8 (same game as above). What is the goal for any organization? To win a championship... do you think that after waiting 5 years for all the young players to develop we have everything we need? you guys think dwight and darko are enough? you think dwight by himself will be enough in a couple years? if vince carter came in today, he would instantly turn this franchise around. he's a team first guy and an awesome scorer. as for your defensive concerns... what's wrong with playing the 2-3 zone? why does phoenix make it to the western finals? can't defense be coached too? avery and the mavs?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">He quit on his team in Toronto, that is a big enough question mark to me. That was when Chris Bosh was emerging as the man in Toronto. I don't know if he will take so kindly to being the 2nd option, because I think all Magic fans agree that in order for us to win the championship in a couple of years we need Dwight as involved as possible. btw, read my post in post 21 in this thread.</div> i agree with you on involving dwight... why does everyone keep saying 2nd option for vince? if he's here, he's the first option. didn't shaq and wade win? didn't kobe and shaq win? they worked together... i don't see how that's any different over here. edit: about the toronto situation... he opted out after asking management over and over again to make more moves to bring veteran players in and they never delivered. he didn't leave because of bosh, he was traded to move on to a better team. A team with pieces already in place and all he had to do was step in and be vince. has vince ever been a problem child? has he ever had stories all over espn on him for anything but basketball? you guys are giving THE vince carter NOOOOO credit... kinda sad actually.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MickyEyez:</div><div class="quote_post">That's why a debate is a debate. I respect your opinions Gators because you have good reasoning behind them. </div> Yep, I love debates too. At least you aren't resorting to flaming or anything like a lot of people do. Let's keep this going. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You are right about signing him for a 3 year max deal, and i know he's not young, but man... the guy is sooooo hungry for a championship. </div> Just like everyone else. We'll see how hungry he is for a championship, would he be willing to sacrifice and take a pay cut to win a championship in Orlando? I believe he would have to if he wants to play in Orlando. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Awards and achievements 7-time NBA All-Star selection: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006; was voted in in 2002 but missed the game due to injury 2-time All-NBA: Second Team: 2001 Third Team: 2000 NBA Slam Dunk Champion 2000 NBA All-Rookie First Team: 1999 NBA Rookie of the Year Award: 1999 The Sporting News NBA Rookie of the Year: 1999 NBA playoff records Co-holds NBA playoff record for most three-point field goals made in one game with 9 (May 11, 2001 vs. Philadelphia 76ers, Eastern Conference Finals). Holds NBA playoff record for most three-point field goals made in one half with 8 (same game as above). Holds NBA playoff record for most consecutive three-point field goals made in one game with 8 (same game as above). Holds NBA playoff record for most consecutive three-point field goals made in one half with 8 (same game as above). </div> That's all fine and dandy, but what has he done for me now? Most of that stuff was back 5 years ago or earlier. I'm not denying that he's a great player, because he's been one of the better players in the NBA since he came in. I'm just saying I don't think the Magic need someone like him. We need to spend the money and get role players that fill the roles that we need to get filled on our roster. One role that we don't need is highlight dunker/scorer. We have enough of them on the roster. If we drafted someone like Ronnie Brewer, then I would be more willing to pick up VC, but we already drafted a scorer in JJ Redick, so now we need the defense in the starting lineup. Our chemistry was great at the end of the year, we started to be really balanced and share the rock with everyone. VC would screw up that chemistry. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> What is the goal for any organization? To win a championship... do you think that after waiting 5 years for all the young players to develop we have everything we need? you guys think dwight and darko are enough? you think dwight by himself will be enough in a couple years? if vince carter came in today, he would instantly turn this franchise around. </div> We are already getting turned around now, it wouldn't be just because of VC. No of course not Dwight and Darko isn't enough, but they are great building blocks to build a franchise around, now we just need to get the role players around the big 3 that would fit Brian Hill's style and would be able to coexist with the other players. We don't need to add someone else to the Big 3. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">he's a team first guy and an awesome scorer.</div> Don't tell that to Toronto fans...... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MickyEyez:</div><div class="quote_post"> as for your defensive concerns... what's wrong with playing the 2-3 zone? why does phoenix make it to the western finals? can't defense be coached too? avery and the mavs?</div> Yes defense can be coached, but I don't think Brian Hill is the right guy to teach defense to our players. He's way better than Johnny Davis was, but still not very good. Pho was way more high powered on offense then we would be. Don't forget Pho has had the last 2 MVP's in their team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MickyEyez:</div><div class="quote_post">i agree with you on involving dwight... why does everyone keep saying 2nd option for vince? if he's here, he's the first option. didn't shaq and wade win? didn't kobe and shaq win? they worked together... i don't see how that's any different over here.</div> The difference is that Kobe and Shaq had Derek Fisher, Rick Fox as shutdown defenders. Wade and Shaq had James Posey, Alonzo Mourning as lock down defenders. The Magic just don't have that. Vince would have to be 2nd fiddle to Dwight in Orlando. I really doubt the Magic would win a championship with Vince Carter <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">edit: about the toronto situation... he opted out after asking management over and over again to make more moves to bring veteran players in and they never delivered. he didn't leave because of bosh, he was traded to move on to a better team. A team with pieces already in place and all he had to do was step in and be vince. has vince ever been a problem child? has he ever had stories all over espn on him for anything but basketball? you guys are giving THE vince carter NOOOOO credit... kinda sad actually.</div> So it sounds kinda like the Tmac situation that we all bash Tmac for. Why would we want to risk getting into that situation again? No he's no TO or anything, no one said that. VC is one of the better players in the league today. I just don't think adding him would get us a championship and would hurt our chances in the long run by stunting the growth of our Big 3. We are going to go as far as the Big 3 takes us, so why not take our lumps this year and get the growing out of the way and they will learn from these situations and become better players. VC to me seems basically like rent a player to try to win a championship. Would VC be able to defer to Dwight Howard/Jameer Nelson/Darko Milicic down the stretch in close games or would he try to take it upon himself to try to win the game(and end up losing it by forcing shots). I've been spoiled getting to watch the Florida Gators live and their unselfishness. They rely on balance. You never know who is going to get the ball at the end of the game and that's how I want the Magic to become. I don't want everyone being able to zone in on one player(like they did for Tmac). So that's another reason why I don't really want VC.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">Just like everyone else. We'll see how hungry he is for a championship, would he be willing to sacrifice and take a pay cut to win a championship in Orlando? I believe he would have to if he wants to play in Orlando. </div> why would he have to take a pay cut? we are talking about him being a free agent right? i dont see him taking a paycut to play in orlando, and im assuming that if he did play for orlando that we would have to sacrifice some money and we would definitely be paying him handsomely. he would also drive in a lot more revenue too though. if VC was playing in orlando, sellouts would probably be more of a common thing. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">That's all fine and dandy, but what has he done for me now? ....I'm just saying I don't think the Magic need someone like him. We need to spend the money and get role players that fill the roles that we need to get filled on our roster. One role that we don't need is highlight dunker/scorer. ....we already drafted a scorer in JJ Redick, so now we need the defense in the starting lineup. Our chemistry was great at the end of the year, we started to be really balanced and share the rock with everyone. VC would screw up that chemistry. </div> You are right about everything but i dont think that we only need role players. role players help superstars win championships. thats not to say that there are exceptions (no superstars playing for detroit) but they had no holes and each player at their position was outstanding. oh yea... and larry brown. whats wrong with having a dunker/scorer? those are the guys that are difference makers and they push the rest of their team with their performances. Redick... he's not a scorer. he's a pure shooter. he's going to be orlando's kyle korver. he should spread the D and create easier points in the paint for dwight, but redick is not going to get to the rim off of the dribble. redick is a role player (to me that sounds like someone that just does their job but thats about it). not only is vince a scorer, but vince would also open up a lot of opportunities for other players. as soon as teams double vince, he could pass it outside the arc for redick, vince could set the pick and roll all day with dwight, i could go on and on... but you get my point. The chemistry would be different and i agree that the magic looked UNBELIEVABLE towards the end of the season. but chemistry is something that you cannot predict. you cant say that vince would ruin chemistry because he would ruin theirs, but he would create a different chemistry. grant hill comes back, the chemistry is different. any player change will change the chemistry. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">We are already getting turned around now, it wouldn't be just because of VC. No of course not Dwight and Darko isn't enough, but they are great building blocks to build a franchise around, now we just need to get the role players around the big 3 that would fit Brian Hill's style and would be able to coexist with the other players. We don't need to add someone else to the Big 3. </div> I fully agree with this organization making a turnaround and i think we are definitely heading in the right direction. i think dwight and darko's progress are going to be huge. i am assuming the other player you are talking about with the big 3 is jameer right? he is a ball handler, not a scorer. if vince was playing in orlando, it would REALLY be the BIG 3. i actually think of jameer as more of a role player. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't tell that to Toronto fans......</div> hahaha. touche. what i meant earlier was vince can be an awesome ball distributor as well as scorer. he creates opportunities for other players and takes advantage of them. he exploites defenses when they make a mistake. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes defense can be coached, but I don't think Brian Hill is the right guy to teach defense to our players. He's way better than Johnny Davis was, but still not very good. Pho was way more high powered on offense then we would be. Don't forget Pho has had the last 2 MVP's in their team.</div> brian hill isn't the only one responsible for making sure his team is prepared defensively. the assistant coaches need to help out with that in practice too. the only reason i bring up phoenix is because the run and gun offense has worked so well for them. out team runs well and can play a similar game. nash is good, but they have played well in his absence too. you can say that's because of barbosa, but it's because of the system. d'antoni has done a spectacular job finding his teams stength and using it to put other teams in a forced shooting situation. good stuff gators.
Carter is going to command a lot of money. Personally, I don't think it'll be a good idea if this team is building around young talent to add a 30 year old with a major contract since Carter might only have a few years left where he'll live up to the money he's making.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">So it sounds kinda like the Tmac situation that we all bash Tmac for. Why would we want to risk getting into that situation again?</div> Tmac didn't have dwight and darko. vince wouldnt get the tmac treatment because of the additions that we have made since tmac's departure. honestly, i think that if we had tmac now... that would be the same as adding vince offensively. and defensively, tmac has proved he is better. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">I just don't think adding him would get us a championship and would hurt our chances in the long run by stunting the growth of our Big 3. We are going to go as far as the Big 3 takes us, so why not take our lumps this year and get the growing out of the way and they will learn from these situations and become better players. VC to me seems basically like rent a player to try to win a championship. Would VC be able to defer to Dwight Howard/Jameer Nelson/Darko Milicic down the stretch in close games or would he try to take it upon himself to try to win the game(and end up losing it by forcing shots). </div> i'm not as concerned about the growth of the "Big 3". with minutes, they will get better. rather than wait around for everyone to develop or wait around for the perfect team to be intact, why cant we have another miracle year like '95? there are always the intagibles and i think VC brings that. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">I've been spoiled getting to watch the Florida Gators live and their unselfishness. They rely on balance. You never know who is going to get the ball at the end of the game and that's how I want the Magic to become. I don't want everyone being able to zone in on one player(like they did for Tmac). So that's another reason why I don't really want VC.</div> congrats to your gators. but most college teams play that style of bball. and dont forget about your guy joakim noah, if not for him, no championship. i dont see why we cant play that style of basketball with VC. he'll take his 25 shot attempts a game for sure, but i really believe he's able to make a team better like a magic johnson or larry bird. i think hes enough to help this team make some serious noise in the postseason, just like greats before him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MainMan:</div><div class="quote_post">this is the vince carter i want on my team.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCOezNycsVQ</div> HAHAHAHA
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MickyEyez:</div><div class="quote_post">why would he have to take a pay cut? we are talking about him being a free agent right? i dont see him taking a paycut to play in orlando, and im assuming that if he did play for orlando that we would have to sacrifice some money and we would definitely be paying him handsomely. he would also drive in a lot more revenue too though. if VC was playing in orlando, sellouts would probably be more of a common thing.</div> He would take a paycut because right now he's just not worth giving the max contract to when he's over 30 years old. He'd still make probably 9-10 mil a year, but I don't want to give him a similar deal then what the Bulls gave Ben Wallace. I think they waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overpaid for Ben. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You are right about everything but i dont think that we only need role players. role players help superstars win championships. thats not to say that there are exceptions (no superstars playing for detroit) but they had no holes and each player at their position was outstanding. oh yea... and larry brown. whats wrong with having a dunker/scorer? those are the guys that are difference makers and they push the rest of their team with their performances.</div> We don't only need role players. We already have our star in Dwight and 2 potential stars in Jameer and Darko(well probably not star level, but above role player level). Nothing is wrong with having a dunker/scorer at all, but don't we already have that in Dwight? All he does is dunk. The problem of having a dunker and scorer is that the Magic are royally lacking in defense at the PG/SG/SF position. We will have enough offense to pass by. Dwight should be around 20 ppg this year, Jameer gets 15-17, Hedo should get near 17-19 -like at the end of last year), Darko gets like 12-15. Not to mention the other role players like a JJ Redick or Keith Bogans or Tony Battie or even a Grant Hill. What we need is a Deshawn Stevenson type player starting at SG, someone who is blue collar, always gives 110%, plays good defense and doesn't mind not getting the ball. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Redick... he's not a scorer. he's a pure shooter. he's going to be orlando's kyle korver. he should spread the D and create easier points in the paint for dwight, but redick is not going to get to the rim off of the dribble. redick is a role player (to me that sounds like someone that just does their job but thats about it). </div> We used a lottery pick on him, obviously we think he is a scorer, which is why we drafted him. We don't think he's just a shooter if we used the #11 pick in the draft on him. I agree Redick will end up just being a role player, but the Magic drafted him in the lotto, so obviously we have higher expectations for him then just being a role player. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">not only is vince a scorer, but vince would also open up a lot of opportunities for other players. as soon as teams double vince, he could pass it outside the arc for redick, vince could set the pick and roll all day with dwight, i could go on and on... but you get my point. </div> Yes he would, but he would also hurt our defense and open up a lot of opportunities for the opposing players. If we got VC, he would have to be the #2 scoring option and focus more on late game scoring and playing better defense. You are really underrating defense. Offense is important, but we already have quite a bit of offense, but avg wings would absolutely light us up, not to mention what the elite wing players would do to us. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The chemistry would be different and i agree that the magic looked UNBELIEVABLE towards the end of the season. but chemistry is something that you cannot predict. you cant say that vince would ruin chemistry because he would ruin theirs, but he would create a different chemistry. grant hill comes back, the chemistry is different. any player change will change the chemistry.</div> I agree with that. I guess I should have used the word balance instead of chemistry. VC would ruin the balance. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I fully agree with this organization making a turnaround and i think we are definitely heading in the right direction. i think dwight and darko's progress are going to be huge. i am assuming the other player you are talking about with the big 3 is jameer right? he is a ball handler, not a scorer. if vince was playing in orlando, it would REALLY be the BIG 3. i actually think of jameer as more of a role player. </div> Yes, Jameer is who I was referring to as a part of the Big 3. I'm one of the more pessimistic guys on this board about Jameer, but he's above a role player. He's not quite a star, but he will be one of the better PG's in the league. He has also been absolutely money in the 4th quarter since he came to Orlando. He can get to the line whenever he feels like it and can also pop the 3. He's too small to play defense, which is why we need a defensive minded SG who could guard the bigger and more dangerous PG's. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">hahaha. touche. what i meant earlier was vince can be an awesome ball distributor as well as scorer. he creates opportunities for other players and takes advantage of them. he exploites defenses when they make a mistake.</div> Yeah VC is a very underrated distributor. He's been solid throughout his career. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">brian hill isn't the only one responsible for making sure his team is prepared defensively. the assistant coaches need to help out with that in practice too. the only reason i bring up phoenix is because the run and gun offense has worked so well for them. out team runs well and can play a similar game. nash is good, but they have played well in his absence too. you can say that's because of barbosa, but it's because of the system. d'antoni has done a spectacular job finding his teams stength and using it to put other teams in a forced shooting situation.</div> Brian Hill is no D'Antoni. We are no Pho, nor will we ever be anywhere close. Even Pho has a defensive minded SG though in Raja Bell. Despite being offensive minded they don't start Eddie House, who would improve their offense. They start Raja Bell for his defense and timely shooting. They really aren't that bad of a defensive team, they just run up and score within 5-6 secs it seems like and that forces them into a lot more defensive(and offensive) opportunities. We dont' have anyone like Nash, Raja Bell, Shawn Marion, or Boris Diaw, so I'm not too sure why you keep bringing them up. Dwight/Amare is the only sorta comparison tha tyou can make and Dwight plays PG and Amare is their C. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MickyEyez:</div><div class="quote_post">Tmac didn't have dwight and darko. vince wouldnt get the tmac treatment because of the additions that we have made since tmac's departure. honestly, i think that if we had tmac now... that would be the same as adding vince offensively. and defensively, tmac has proved he is better.</div> I'm saying the Raptors situation with VC is basically the exact same situation that we had and basically all Magic fans bash Tmac for. Tmac knew we were getting Jameer and Dwight, but he still decided to bolt. I just am weary about gettign another superstar who has given up on his team before. Didn't work with Tmac or Francis and Shaq bolted and quit on us too. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">i'm not as concerned about the growth of the "Big 3". with minutes, they will get better. rather than wait around for everyone to develop or wait around for the perfect team to be intact, why cant we have another miracle year like '95? there are always the intagibles and i think VC brings that. </div> I don't want to wait around for everyone to develop, but that's what we have to do. Our best chance is during Dwight's prime. I want to use the money and get 2 pieces that will help us win and make us a better overall team rather than 1 that makes us a better offensive team or just keep the money and lock up Dwight, Darko and Jameer long term. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">congrats to your gators. but most college teams play that style of bball. and dont forget about your guy joakim noah, if not for him, no championship. i dont see why we cant play that style of basketball with VC. he'll take his 25 shot attempts a game for sure, but i really believe he's able to make a team better like a magic johnson or larry bird. i think hes enough to help this team make some serious noise in the postseason, just like greats before him.</div> Not really. A lot of teams have more than 1 star, but I don't believe any can say that they had all 5 starters get within 2 shots every singel game or that all starters had a positive assist to turnover ratio. (only South Carolina can make that claim) <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">good stuff gators. </div> You too man.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">Brian Hill is no D'Antoni. We are no Pho, nor will we ever be anywhere close. Even Pho has a defensive minded SG though in Raja Bell. Despite being offensive minded they don't start Eddie House, who would improve their offense. They start Raja Bell for his defense and timely shooting. They really aren't that bad of a defensive team, they just run up and score within 5-6 secs it seems like and that forces them into a lot more defensive(and offensive) opportunities. We dont' have anyone like Nash, Raja Bell, Shawn Marion, or Boris Diaw, so I'm not too sure why you keep bringing them up. Dwight/Amare is the only sorta comparison tha tyou can make and Dwight plays PG and Amare is their C. </div> The only reason that i brought up pho is because i remember reading in an article a while ago that hill may want to start using the run and gun offense. i just think that orlando is athletic enough (especially the big guys) to get up and down the court and create more fast breaks. pho defense is not good. they have good individual defenders, but they play extremely soft and as soon as the other team rotates the ball, they get a basket everytime. i live in cali where all they do is televise pho and if there's one thing i've noticed, it's that they don't play half court defense well. pho is able to cover up their below average defense with an outstanding offense. what i was suggesting with VC and they only reason i brought pho up was because with VC we can run the ball more, get more fast break points, dominate the boards, and tire teams out so that our defense doesn't HAVE to be that great. you keep bringing up defense over and over again, i'm just trying to get you to see that there are other ways to win basketball games.
