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Will Dame playing help or hurt Scoot development?

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Honestly, can't see that it would hurt and assuming Dame has a professional attitude in this situation (I think he would), then it likely helps, only issue would be minutes with Dame, Scoot, Simons, Shae
 
Blazinaway said:
Honestly, can't see that it would hurt and assuming Dame has a professional attitude in this situation (I think he would), then it likely helps, only issue would be minutes with Dame, Scoot, Simons, Shae
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delete Simons from that list and there's no issue
 
It will absolutely help Scoot to play against Dame on whatever team he's on. You want to test yourself against the best!
 
50+ million per season for "specialist" coach to help the young players learn Blazer basketball is too expensive.
 
No effect on Scoot's development. The things Scoot does well nobody else does.

I am more worried about Bumbly Billups giving playing time to Lillard that should go to Sharpe.
 
I will say that Lillard playing can only help the Blazers win games.

The one caveat is Billups. He could play Lillard when it's unnecessary and even detrimental.
 
I decided on "Help."

Dame will help the Blazers get to the playoffs.

Playing in the playoffs would be fantastic for Scoot. Sorry for those of you who want to Tank.

Tanking does not help Scoot's development. Or Sharpe's.
 
Basketball wise? Of course he will help. Attitude wise about contracts.......hurt.
 
I just think that our extremely crowded back court will definitely cut Scoot's PT and therefore his reps and the dude needs reps. I understand that this thread isn't about Shaedon but I think Dame still being on the team and playing will do the same to him.

As far as the pipedream of keeping Dame for good goes. If we can keep Dame, that probably means the prudent thing to do is to trade Scoot... you... don't... want... that much talent... tied up in two small guards... that are most effective... with the ball in their hands... wait where have I typed this before. What in the actual fuck are people talking about on here when they are musing about playing Dame in a back court with Scoot for the rest of Dame's career? I realize that Scoot brings a very different skill set than Dame, CJ and Ant but that skill set is still best utilized with the ball in his hands and as ripped as the kid is he is still under 6'4" and we know what we get from playing two small guards on defense. Why does anyone want to keep doing this?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!

Now that I finished freaking out, I would sit Dame he just proved to everyone in the league that he's either the first (or more likely second to Luka) most potent offensive weapon in the league, he doesn't need to and probably can't increase his trade value, the only thing that can do that is shifting conditions around the league on other teams. Dame definitely could get hurt and fuck up his trade value. I am still really hoping that a trade comes together before training camp, I don't want this Dame drama looming. Ready for the Scoot/Shae era and also ready to integrate any pieces we get in the Dame trade. I love Dame and I'll root for him wherever he ends up but for the most important thing to me which is our team, I'm ready to move the fuck on. Scoot is better off without Dame.
 
Lillard will only be helpful to Scoot's development. I don't see him being a disruption. We have already seen the article saying Dame is ready to come into training camp. I don't see a trade happening before the season starts. There will be minutes enough for both him and Scoot if that is the concern.

It's possible, though not very likely, that Dame returns, and the Blazers play so well, that he rescinds his trade demand. Don't get your hopes up though.
 
Chris Craig said:
Lillard will only be helpful to Scoot's development. I don't see him being a disruption. We have already seen the article saying Dame is ready to come into training camp. I don't see a trade happening before the season starts. There will be minutes enough for both him and Scoot if that is the concern.

It's possible, though not very likely, that Dame returns, and the Blazers play so well, that he rescinds his trade demand. Don't get your hopes up though.
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Yes, i think you are right. Part of me thinks Miami don't value Dame enough and Dame is pissed at the Heat and will go 180.

It's like when Barney thought he and Robin had a mutual agreement, only to find out they're not on the same page. IYKYK otherwise pls ignore
 
I'm dreaming here

Both Scottie Barnes and Ant Simons have same NBA2k rating. Whoever makes those ratings think they're not too far apart.

Toronto is frontcout rich, backcourt poor

We are backcourt rich, frontcourt poor

Could Ant / future draft capital turn into Scottie?

Highly unlikely, but

Dame / Scoot
Shae/ Tisse
Jerami / Nas / Rayan
Scottie / Kris / Jabari
Nurk / Backup C

That's a playoff team
A little bit of seasoning and if Sharpe is him, we're talking contenders
 
It doesn't hurt Scoot's development. In the short term, Sharpe plays more at SF (along with Thybulle) with a 3-guard lineup of Lillard, Simons, Scoot.
Grant is backed up by a rookie and a 2nd year player.

Shorter guards (they're not small, and all 3 have plenty good wingspan). 2 shorter SFs with wingspan.
The weakness REMAINS at having a 2nd higher quality, starting forward to go with Grant ... and an actually promising young center.
And a healthy Nurkic. And good big man depth.

It's not a Lillard thing. It's two starting positions in the front court. Fix SF or C with a Lillard trade, and it's not an unacceptable loss.
 
Chris Craig said:
Lillard will only be helpful to Scoot's development. I don't see him being a disruption. We have already seen the article saying Dame is ready to come into training camp. I don't see a trade happening before the season starts. There will be minutes enough for both him and Scoot if that is the concern.

It's possible, though not very likely, that Dame returns, and the Blazers play so well, that he rescinds his trade demand. Don't get your hopes up though.
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Great post. I agree. I think Miami is out of the equation after season starts and Dame could see enough that he likes the chances here over the next three years.
 
Chris Craig said:
Lillard will only be helpful to Scoot's development. I don't see him being a disruption. We have already seen the article saying Dame is ready to come into training camp. I don't see a trade happening before the season starts. There will be minutes enough for both him and Scoot if that is the concern.

It's possible, though not very likely, that Dame returns, and the Blazers play so well, that he rescinds his trade demand. Don't get your hopes up though.
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Dame doesn't have much power to do anything, especially after requesting a trade.

Who has the power?

Cronin. Cronin can now trade Dame without being the "bad guy." He also has the power to keep Dame.

The other party that has some power are the teams bidding for Dame's services. Cronin can't make anyone give him what he wants.

Not Dame. Not anymore.
 
The nice thing is if Scoot doesn't pan out we can keep him around as spare parts for Dame.
 
I voted help, but there's multiple factors that support either option and I could nearly vote either way. That's why I thought it was an interesting poll.

For voting "Help Scoot" I'm considering these aspects:
+ Dame will buy in and give it his all here, have no reason to expect otherwise.
+ Dame is a great leader and has a great work ethic. His teammates both current and past have always spoke very highly of him.
+ Dame is also a highly productive player which could elevate the play of the team and help get wins which I think is beneficial to Scoots development.
+ Dame can shoot off the ball and help spread the court so the defense doesn't focus on Scoot.
+ There are a dozen years of Scoots prime ahead of him where he can grow into a larger option.

Factors that I consider to vote "Hurt Scoot" are:
- Minutes crunch. With Dame, Scoot, Sharpe, and Ant there just isn't enough minutes for all of them in the backcourt. Eventually I believe Sharpe can play some SF, but for a very young 20 year old I don't think you want them going up to a bigger position. Durant now plays PF - but as a rookie he played SG. Young players need time to build strength and get used to the physicality before they can play a bigger position or be part of undersized lineups. There is just no way to divide up 96 minute with these 4 players where everyone is happy.
- Negative culture from a current leader requesting a trade. So far Scoot has handled all the questions on this situation fabulously, but its not a good dynamic to have a leader of the team partially committed. Even if Lillard comes to camp and gives 100% its going to at the least be an awkward dynamic if not worse. I suspect all these players will be able to overcome this negative factor - even so its less than an ideal dynamic.
- Lack of leadership opportunity - with Dame here Scoot will need to defer to the franchise veteran in Dame and that will take away from Scoots innate leadership opportunities.
- Dame personal struggles and off the court issues - this was "officially" noted in Billups comments in summer league that Dame has been going though major off the court issues. There are deaths in his family as well as rumors of a broken marriage. This won't for certain be a negative, but being in a poor mental or emotional place could harm Dame's ability to help Scoot as well as be a good role model.
- Lack of offensive scheme - The coaching staff and Scoot will not be able to implement offensive schemes and sets that cater to his strengths and focus on Scoot while Dame is such a large piece of the offense
- Poor defense culture/ poor habits - Dame has never been a leader on the defensive end, nor prioritized his development there above his offense. This could be a bad defensive culture around Scoot at a time he needs to begin building a career focus on that end.
- Draft pick - If Dame helps the team win now it could hurt the Blazers 2024 draft pick. I still believe the positives of wins will likely outweigh the negatives - but even so there still is a real negative component to Dame leading the team to wins. If it was Scoot/Sharpe/Ant leading the team to wins I'd see that as a much larger benefit as they could be a part of this franchise the next decade as opposed to Dame only being here for weeks or months.
 
blazerfan11 said:
I will say that Lillard playing can only help the Blazers win games.

The one caveat is Billups. He could play Lillard when it's unnecessary and even detrimental.
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That would be my worry as well. Playing Dame into the ground to squeeze out a few wins.
 
Scoot is a passing point guard who hasn't proven he can shoot 3-pointers yet, but could be nearly un-guardable by a single defender near the hoop.

Any player that can make the defense pay, especially by hitting perimeter shots, when more than one defender is attached to Scoot near the bucket helps Scoot and his development.
 
e_blazer said:
So, Dame would be worn down when he's traded to the Heat?

I'm not seeing the problem here. ;)
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Or worn down to the point where he’s injured before a trade even happens?

Yeah, THAT’S how we get a better package for Dame lol.
 
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