<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JamesWorthy42:</div><div class="quote_post">Of course Dwayne Wade because he has college experience and Lebron dosen't.</div> Quick question what does having college experence have to do with anything if both are already in the NBA nad performing at the same level. Either way I say Lebron is better his team is near the top of the division he is second in the NBA in scoring the quickest person ever to reach 2000 points, and the player of the month.
I would take Wade for my team. He is battle tested from Marquette, and last years playoffs. Please stop using Shaq as an excuse. Lebron had Boozer and Z last year, but couldn't make the playoffs. Wade led the Heat last year. Although he had Lamar and Caron, you could argue that the Cavs had the better overall team. Lebron has learned to shoot, which Wade already knew how to do. Lebron is no more explosive that Wade, but is taller and provideds match up problems. Lebron was playing out of position last year (pre-Mcinnis) being 6'9" and going up against guys 4-6 inches shorter than him. Not to take away from his game, but I believe that Wade is the better player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">LeBron...because in five years, it won't even be close.</div> Please explain...... It's too soon to judge how the Lakers will finish. It's too soon to judge whether the Pistons will repeat. It's too soon to know who the next president will be. But it's not too soon to know who will be better between James and Wade in 5 years?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Please explain...... It's too soon to judge how the <font color="purple">Lakers</font> will finish. It's too soon to judge whether the Pistons will repeat. It's too soon to know who the next president will be. But it's not too soon to know who will be better between James and Wade in 5 years? </div> I guess I'm going to have to change my sig, avatar and everything else so the Lakers aren't the center of everyone's world when I post.
I like lebron over wade. It comes down to lebrons amazing versatility for me. Theyre both good defenders,wade being slightly better at defending IMO.What sells lebron to me as the better of the two is his versatility,his ability to take over a game with his scoring,and because hes one of the best passers in the league.Lebron offers a little more than wade.<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Lebron has learned to shoot, which Wade already knew how to do.</div> I could have swore last year that there was talk of wade trying to be more confident with his jumper.Actually,assuming that wade already knew how to shoot and lebron has just learned how to, doesnt that mean that currently they can both shoot the ball?So how can this point be used against lebron?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess I'm going to have to change my sig, avatar and everything else so the Lakers aren't the center of everyone's world when I post.</div> You're amazing, ignore the validity of people's posts simply because they use the Lakers as an analogy. I intentionally mentioned the Pistons as well just so that you wouldn't start whining, but you did anyway. *Patiently waits for realdealbneal to respond by saying "cool"*
Close call. Both are franchise players but I will have to chose Lebron in this one, he is just so talented in all aspects of his game and he is still a teenager. With much respect to Wade, for he had to make a hard switch from SG to PG, but I just think Lebron would be a better player to build your franchise around. The kid is a freak, 27 days before his 20th birthday and he is putting up big time numbers which are similer to Oscar Robinson type numbers, 26 points, nearly 8 boards, and 6 assits per game for a forward. Lebron is also #3 in steals per game, and #1 in total steals. And for you people out there that said he can't shoot, he is shooting 50% from the field and 34% (average) from three.
Wade imo is just as good as James. Wade I think is more of a leader and a very mature guy. As Jurassic said, Boozer and Ilguaskas is a killer frontcourt and the Cavs. The Cavs team last year could arguably be better than Heat last year. Wade really steps up at cruch time and was the catalyst in the playoffs vs. Indiana. So to say in 5 years it wont even be close is very shallow. Please elaborate on that more.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">You're amazing, ignore the validity of people's posts simply because they use the Lakers as an analogy. I intentionally mentioned the Pistons as well just so that you wouldn't start whining, but you did anyway. *Patiently waits for realdealbneal to respond by saying "cool"*</div> The Heat took Shaq to make them into a contender. They ignored the fact that Shaq is getting paid nearly $30 million a year, and won't settle for anything less...and $30 million is $15 million from the cap. Eddie Jones and Shaq are pretty close to the salary cap, and that's why the Heat are having to rely on Shandon Anderson, Christian Laettner, and guys that they have to pick up for minimums...because they have put them in a position where they have Shaq locked up for a while, with the biggest contract in the league. Say Shaq stays for 4-6 years. That makes him around 36-38 years old. If you believe Shaq will be putting up 24-12 every night at that age, something is wrong. He's past his prime and runs a HUGE risk of injury. Now, this is also considering the Heat keep him happy...in other words, win a championship down the road. With that said, the Heat don't have much time to do that. How does this fit into Dwyane Wade's career? Well, you can't be the man without a little help, and I don't care if you're Jordan, Magic, Bird, Shaq, anyone...it's a historical fact that nobody has single-handedly won a championship by themselves without good contributions from another player. If Kobe and Shaq couldn't get it done for two years straight, I don't see how Wade and Shaq can...and Shaq's only getting older. So how do the Heat improve if they don't win it all this season? That's right...they don't. They'll have to pray that Wade becomes Michael Jordan before Shaq retires...otherwise, the Heat are well over the cap and for a long time, where all they'll be doing is signing minimums to fill the void for the shorter, cheaper contracts of players that they'll be losing each year. In other words...Shaq is 32, and it could play a tremendous factor in Wade's career, if the Heat continue to lose in the playoffs...because I doubt the Heat will make the Eastern Conference Finals this season, let alone the Finals...where they'll more than likely be blown out by the Pistons before getting there, or the Spurs if they make it that far. Everyone had high hopes for Vince Carter, and Toronto was happy to get a guy who could one day lead them to a championship. In fact, Vince and McGrady were legit contenders, if you remember right...but now, McGrady is gone and Vince is about to be shipped out of Toronto. When you don't win, you lose. With Odom, Butler, Grant and Wade...the Heat were already in the playoffs and almost made it to the Eastern Conference Finals, correct? That was their first year together, actually...with Odom and Wade. Give that team two or three more years, and things would've been great...but now it's different. My point? The point is...down the road, but starting now...everything is placed on the Heat's shoulders. No matter how Wade plays, the others have to play a good game to win. If he does this his entire career, he'll be a Tracy McGrady. LeBron is different. He's a few years younger and is on a team that can easily be improved down the road, if needed. Guys like Drew Gooden and Zyrundas Ilgauskas are wanted, especially in the East. The team is one player away from being under the cap in the first place, and could very well look for free agents by next year. If I were a player, I'd play alongside LeBron and get paid a deserving salary...than to play alongside Wade and Shaq, for the minimum salary. Malone won't do it, Mourning won't do it...it's that simple. Too many factors play into this...Miami's financial situation, having Shaq when he's past his prime, having hardly any backups, and risking an injury to the guy everyone claimed would lead the Heat to the rings. What is expected of LeBron? Improvement, year by year. Wade is expected to win a championship. I'll take LeBron. Efficiency, passing, scoring, agility, rebounding, athleticism, strength, physique, ticket sales, youth...it's all there.
Well although I don't agree with a lot of that, thanks for providing your reasons. The only point I'll point out is the one in your last paragraph. The margin between the two players is minimal in most of the categories you mentioned. For the categories not based on actual numbers (athleticism) the margin is arguable in either player's favor. I'll end on that, since it seems that it's leaning more towards Cavs vs Heat now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">You're amazing, ignore the validity of people's posts simply because they use the Lakers as an analogy. I intentionally mentioned the Pistons as well just so that you wouldn't start whining, but you did anyway. *Patiently waits for realdealbneal to respond by saying "cool"*</div> HAHAHAHAHA True that! everytime someone says "Shaq is a great player! The Heat has a good team!!" then he start whining. lol
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">HAHAHAHAHA True that! everytime someone says "Shaq is a great player! The Heat has a good team!!" then he start whining. lol</div> Sorry...I forgot the Heat are on pace to a championship and winning 73 games. On a serious note: Shaq was a great player. The Heat is a good team. What are you talking about? Now, I guess if I had a Dwyane Wade signature, and I said, "Uhhh...the Heat are great. They're winning a ring this year. Shaq is incredible!"...then I'm going to bet anything that you would agree. Let's not get too ahead of ourselves, Heat fans.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post"> On a serious note: Shaq was a great player. The Heat is a good team. What are you talking about? </div> So, you don't think Shaq qualifies as a great player anymore? Who, in your opinion, are the great players in the game today? For me, I'd say KG, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, and LeBron (not necessarily in that order) are the five great players in the game today. After that, the next tier of players would include Pierce, Dirk, Wade, Iverson, and McGrady.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry...I forgot the Heat are on pace to a championship and winning 73 games. On a serious note: Shaq was a great player. The Heat is a good team. What are you talking about? Now, I guess if I had a Dwyane Wade signature, and I said, "Uhhh...the Heat are great. They're winning a ring this year. Shaq is incredible!"...then I'm going to bet anything that you would agree. Let's not get too ahead of ourselves, Heat fans.</div> LOL Refer me to a part where I said ANYTHING like we are winning a championship. And please tell me if only one team that wins the ring can be qualified to be called "great team". Where is that number 73 come from? Cuz i never said a word like that. In the HEAT forum, you always put negative posts about the HEAT. I don't get why but you always do. And i know you are going to deny lol
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL Refer me to a part where I said ANYTHING like we are winning a championship. And please tell me if only one team that wins the ring can be qualified to be called "great team". Where is that number 73 come from? Cuz i never said a word like that. In the HEAT forum, you always put negative posts about the HEAT. I don't get why but you always do. And i know you are going to deny lol</div> Wrong. I was excited for the Heat last season. I honestly wanted the Heat to go to the Finals...last year. Now that you have Shaq, who has stood in front of the city of Miami with his little watergun and told them he was going to bring a championship to Miami, I really don't like the Heat. It's sad, really. I wish Wade, Jones, Butler, Haslem, and everyone else on that team the best of luck...but then again, I can't do that if their luck involves Shaq. And durvasa...about being great, I didn't realize I typed the word "was"...so yeah, he's a great player. <font size="4">By the way, isn't this topic about Dwyane Wade and LeBron James?</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Wrong. I was excited for the Heat last season. I honestly wanted the Heat to go to the Finals...last year. Now that you have Shaq, who has stood in front of the city of Miami with his little watergun and told them he was going to bring a championship to Miami, I really don't like the Heat. It's sad, really. I wish Wade, Jones, Butler, Haslem, and everyone else on that team the best of luck...but then again, I can't do that if their luck involves Shaq. And durvasa...about being great, I didn't realize I typed the word "was"...so yeah, he's a great player.</div> I understand you may hate the Heat then Don't come in the HEAT forum everytime we are looking at positive posts and smile, you always come in and post negatives. If you hate the team and don't care the team now, why bother coming in to heat forum and post?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">I understand you may hate the Heat, but don't hate the fans. Don't come in the HEAT forum everytime we are looking at positive posts and smile, you always come in and post negatives. If you hate the team and don't care the team now, why bother coming in to heat forum and post?</div> As you posted this, I was on my way to the Heat forum to go post about how Shaq and Wade will dominate against the Bulls...but for this, I'm not interested. Plus, I have yet to see a negative post from any Heat fan in the forum...unless it's about a former Laker, Eddie Jones. Also, this thread is off-topic, so let's stick to LeBron/Wade.
