<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Feb 10 2007, 04:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The article didn't say that Dirk said anything. Read it again. It says very, very clearly that Dwyane Wade, the basketball player, said that Dirk said such a thing. I'm sorry, but I don't take Dwyane Wade as the ultimate source on Dirk. Furthermore, it's the Miami Herald. You probably don't know much about the Miami Herald if you think that they know a lot about goings-on with the Mavericks (hint: read the Mark Cuban blog, if you don't understand how short-sighted you are being).I didn't deny that he had motivation, I merely believe that his motivation is misplaced. People are calling him a bad leader, so he's going to the first person he can think to criticize about the issue.</div>It says, and I quote, "Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki, who has failed to give the Heat credit for beating the Mavericks in the Finals last season." Wade didn't say that, the author of the article said that. Rok, I agree it is very odd he would just say something like this out of the blue. He is not the kind of person to say things about other players, especially as harshly as he said what he did about Dirk. I am sure he had some motivation, whether it be something the interviewer said or a recent quote by someone on the mavs/Dirk.
What a cheap shot by Wade....Questioning Dirks leadership? I think he has done a pretty decent job becoming the leader once Nash left. His team has been doing great the last 2 seasons, and they are the best team in the league this year. Give him some credit Wade. You are in a weak conference and your team isnt doing sh*t. I question wade's leadership after Shaq went down. His team had been losing, so he must be a bad leader right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Feb 10 2007, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It says, and I quote, "Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki, who has failed to give the Heat credit for beating the Mavericks in the Finals last season." Wade didn't say that, the author of the article said that.</div>Like I said before, the Miami Herald doesn't really know how to use what us in the real world call "facts."
Wade's not the type to say something like that, so stop b*tching. Media's known to mix up players' statements. The more sh*t happening around the league, the more news they can deliver. If wade did say that, I don't see why he shouldn't. I haven't really heard anything about Dirk saying "he handed them the championship", but if he did, I'd be pretty pissed off as well. As one member said, give credit where credit is due, and Dirk didn't do that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ Feb 10 2007, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You know Dwayne Wade is cocky, and really half of his points are payed off of the refs...</div>If you're gonna say that, then say same thing about AI who shoots over 10FT's per game. Then GA, Bron, and Kobe have over 9 a game, and outside of Bron all drive far less at rim and not nearly as agressive.
Found this on another board. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Thought everyone might like to read this. I found it on another forum. What do you all think about this?Posted by Whipit:This is getting passed around and someone sent it to me this morning. Comments re Wade from around the league -"He gets all the calls, that's what makes him special.'' - Gerald Wallace"It's unbelievable what he gets away with.'' - Bob Hill"I can't believe he has the audacity to complain to the refs, he should be grateful for what they've done for him in his career. He is what he is today because of them." - P.J. Brown"He travels on that spin move," Jackson said. "He picks up that pivot foot... everybody knows it. Dwayne Wade can cover so much ground when he makes that move. As you know, he can go 20 feet with that spin move and get to the basket." - Phil JacksonSportsNation Chris Sheridan: (12:40 PM ET ) You're preaching to the choir here, Oliver. every single night D-Wade gets three gift whistles (which even LeBron and Kobe don't get) at a minimum, and one or two late whistles, too. He's treated as preferrentially as Jordan was at the peak of his game, and it is infuriating to watch (unless you're a Heat fan). And I say all that being one of the biggest D-Wade guys around, a Marquette grad even. But it's just plain unfair to see one guy get such special treatment. It takes away from the game.Marc Stein on Galloway & Co (1/30)"No question about it that you definitely hear-- I've heard it from executives, I've heard it from coaches, that you just can't touch this guy[Wade]... but you know, the fact that players bring this up in games... I would say yeah it's a definite topic.""Does Wade get calls that nobody else gets? Does he go to the line too much? Yes, no question.""You can't do nothing to D-Wade. If you say 'boogety-boogety boo' to him, that's a foul. If you give him a hard look, that's a foul." -Rasheed Wallace(He also comically took shots and flopped over acting injured. I'm not even joking. Link below)Tracy McGrady went so far as to say the NBA finals might have been rigged in a radio interview the foul calls were so obviously in Miami's favor.Sources:Rasheed:http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archi...h-thats-a-foul/Gerald Wallace:http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlo...arlotte_bobcatsBob Hill: http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/c...ce/15995105.htmPhil Jackson: http://www.latimes.com/sports/baske...viewed-homepage'Sheed: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...ok.275f21f.htmlhttp://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=537427sheridan:http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blo...dsheridan_chrisMark Stein:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...Co+%281%2F30%29 (I can?t find a direct link to the podcast mp3 where he says this, but a google search shows it?s there).Tracy McGrady's thoughts on Wade: http://odeo.com/audio/1597802/viewhttp://www.blogmaverick.com/2007/02...-wade-a-leader/ (Cubans recent comments)These satirical articles from nbadraft.net and the brushback also do a good job of illustrating how the players and media around the league feel about Wade.http://www.thebrushback.com/Archives/classy_full.htmhttp://www.nbadraft.net/prevenas066.asphttp://dwil.wordpress.com/tag/nba-mentions/dwyane-wade/ (not so much satire as it is more of the same about the egregious calls Wade gets away with).It's obvious (particularly after listening to Stein's comments) that the players and coaches around the league feel that Wade is receiving some biased/unfair treatment. On sports forums all over the net debates about Wade's preferential treatment routinely start up before and after games. Hell, if you look at the statistics from last years finals something alarming comes up (here are the leaders in FTA per game for both teams from 1998 to 2006):2006 NBAFINALSWade - 16.2Dirk - 9.02005 NBAFINALSDuncan - 7.7Billups - 6.32004 NBAFINALSShaq - 11.0Billups 8.42003 NBAFINALSDuncan - 9.0Kidd/Jefferson/Martin - 4.02002 NBAFINALSShaq - 14.5Martin - 6.52001 NBAFINALSShaq - 15.2Iverson - 9.62000 NBAFINALSShaq - 15.5Miller - 6.71999 NBAFINALSRobinson - 9.6Duncan - 9.01998 NBAFINALSJordan - 11.6Malone - 8.0Now what can we deduct from all this? You'd have to go back to 1998 to find the last guard to ever averaged double-digit FTA in Michael Jordan in the FINALS. Even still, Wade has about 5 more FTA than Jordan which nearly equates to 2 or 3 more Fouls given. The only one remotely close in FTA to Wade is Shaq in his Prime years. It's obvious why Shaq got that many freethrows, he was a complete monster in the Post and teams often employed the Hack-a-Shaq to slow him down. In Game 2 of the 2000 NBA FINALS, Shaq got 39 FTA in which he only made 18.And yet Wade still averaged more FTA per game.The argument Wade proponents have is that he is being "aggressive" and is the most aggressive player in the Finals. Umm no. Wade isn't anymore aggressive than Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, Iverson or any other superstar that has ever played in the FINALS. It's ridiculous that Wade got more FTA than post players like Shaq, Duncan or Robinson. It's also ludicrous for a guard to EVER get 16.2 FTA while averaging 36.5 ppg. Shows you where a chunk of the points came from.In case you missed all that: It's all about the freethrows. Wade isn't all that great of a basketball player (although he is certainly good), but when the refs will call a foul on the opposing player if he merely BREATH's in your direction there's a problem. Wade gets the kind of calls Jordan got in his prieme-MORE actually-and he's a 4th year guard.Wade isn't a superstar player, he's a MANUFACTURED superstar courtesy of the refs. Put me on the line 11 times a game and I'd be an NBA star as well. Wades ppg to FTA per game ratio is one of if not THE most lopsided in NBA history, and that isn't even taking into account all of the non-shooting/blocking fouls he gets per game. 1 in every of 5 his shot attempts see's the refs putting him on the line.Maybe there's a logical explanation for this, but regardless of what that is more attention needs to be brought to this issue, if only to rectify the problem and assure that the integrity of the game isn't being compromised in an effort to create the "next Jordan."</div>
Well they should all take it up with the comish.And I hate that reff Steve Javie cause of him not liking AI. And what he said that he gave Wade special treatment thing WOW he should have been fired.
I'm sorry but that thing you post mavsfan is absolutely rubbish.he's a MANUFACTURED superstar? LMAO :HAHAHA:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Feb 11 2007, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry but that thing you post mavsfan is absolutely rubbish.he's a MANUFACTURED superstar? LMAO :HAHAHA:</div>That's my favorite part. :HAHAHA:
LoL, manufactured superstar. Before the Finals no one said a word about the calls he gets. Take away 2 FTA's and 2pts off his season average...that is still 27PPG on 49% shooting. And aside from scoring, he also gives you 8APG, 5RPG, 2SPG, and over 1BPG. "Wade isn't all that great of a basketball player" Now if you had to hear all those things your peers, analysts and coaches said about you, would you not feel the need to open your mouth at least once?PS- Yet AGAIN, mavsfan, look at what you said in the Wade vs Kobe topic and what you are preaching in this topic...constant contradiction.
BINGO. Wade just said in an interview during the San Antonio game, the only reason he said that was because he "didn't like someone taking a shot at his team", sorry that's enough evidence for me. I knew there was no way he would just call out Dirk like that, it was pretty obvious Dirk must have said something to spark it..
Dirk wasnt really taking a cheap shot at Miami. He was saying that his team could have won the finals, but they lost it for themselves.....Thats not really questioning Miami as a team, but it is more being ashamed of how his team played in the last 4 games. Wade deliberatley took a cheap shot at Dirk, and it isnt true what so ever.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LightsOut @ Feb 11 2007, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BINGO. Wade just said in an interview during the San Antonio game, the only reason he said that was because he "didn't like someone taking a shot at his team", sorry that's enough evidence for me. I knew there was no way he would just call out Dirk like that, it was pretty obvious Dirk must have said something to spark it..</div>PEOPLE NEVER EVER MISTAKENLY THINK PEOPLE SAID/DID SOMETHINGEVER
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>BINGO. Wade just said in an interview during the San Antonio game, the only reason he said that was because he "didn't like someone taking a shot at his team", sorry that's enough evidence for me. I knew there was no way he would just call out Dirk like that, it was pretty obvious Dirk must have said something to spark it..</div>Still makes zero sense whatsoever considering he already responded to Dirk jokingly. He needs his story straight. Plus the fact this comment by Dirk was what, 5-6 months ago. Give me a break.
The reason I am slow to believe that Dirk said anything is because back when the playoffs were going on everyone was like "OMG WHY ARE THE MAVS WHINING SO MUCH GOD I HATE DIRK." However, when you asked them for a quote of Dirk whining about anything, it never came up. It was always an "Oh, well he must have. That's what people have been saying!" If Wade wants to say that Cuban or Avery said something, that's a different thing altogether.Edit: As I said earlier, there is a reason behind him saying something now. He feels bad that he is not a leader (I really don't think this means a whole lot... he is still very young). The reason he is bringing this up now as opposed to 6 months ago is because there is a ton of unfair criticism and blame on him right now. I think Dirk is a pretty damn good leader. Even though he's not very vocal or whatever, he improves his game all the time and leads by example. He plays during the offseason for Germany when they have absolutely no chance of winning anything, and on top of that he doesn't bi*ch like LeBron does about being tired. Boohoo, I'm a superstar! But I digress.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Feb 11 2007, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Edit: As I said earlier, there is a reason behind him saying something now. He feels bad that he is not a leader (I really don't think this means a whole lot... he is still very young). I think Dirk is a pretty damn good leader. Even though he's not very vocal or whatever, he improves his game all the time and leads by example.</div>Read the article from a week or 2 back where Wade said himself that he is not vocal but is a leader by example. He does all of what you just listed that Dirk does, except the big difference is that he is playing for a team that can win in the olympics.It is unfair for people to base his leadership off what the hHeat have done this year. The team's 2nd option has been out 40 games, starting PG out more than half the year, the other PG shooting below 40% and SF/PF shooting below 30% from 3 and under 40% from line, players being suspended for weight issues, interim coach in middle of all these problems, rookies having to play a lot, then injuries to wade himself. But despite all of that, he has had the best season of his career, statistically having best season of anyone this year, takes over 4th quarters, takes the big shots, and for the most part is consistent in his play and won't go 3-15 or 0-8 from 3.
I think were all making a big deal out of this, I mean who cares if Wade says Dirk is the reason why the mavs loss the finals last year, I mean I'm sure when there at the allstar game they will probably talk and try to understand were each other are coming from, you know how players are I mean there probably been situations were players got into a fight on the court and then after they went out and chilled with each other.
