<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Wallace was being greedy here. BKS, take a look at a guy like Udonis Haslem who stayed with Miami for about 6-8 million less than what the Cavs had offered him when he was a free agent.</div> To each his own. Haslem grew up in Miami, and is still a young guy. That was what he felt was best for himself. I?m not discrediting him for doing that, but people act like just because a player is looking out for his own well being that discredits everything he has done for the organization in the past, and the good will he built up. This is not a TO situation Ben did not disrespect the Pistons organization he did go and trash his teammates in the media. He signed the best offer presented to him. Can you blame the guy? In sports franchises and athletes look out for their own best interest. No one should judge them for trying to make as much money as they can the life span of a basketball player is extremely short compared to that of the average 9-5 worker. I just hate that fans are now acting like Ben just turned into a shark who cares about nothing, but money. It?s not like he signed with the worst team in the NBA. Many NBA experts now list the Bulls as one of the top teams in the east. So he may very well have a shot at a title within the next 3 years. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> whether he's WORTH it is debatable...i dont think he is quite frankly. and im disapionted to learn he's just another greedy athlete. im no longer a ben wallace fan...his actions disgust me. to be honest, i think you only support this because he's on your team now. i really dont get how you can defend greed of this nature, but fair enough</div> That is you, but if you really can?t say what you would do, because you are not in the same situation he was. He took the best offer he did not stab anyone in the back. He did what anyone would do even Lindsey Hunter said he would have done the same. Yet people treat him like a shark. Why should signing the best contract offered to him destroy the good will he built up, or what he did during his time as a Piston? Did you become a fan of his because of his contract? Then why should you stop now?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post"> That is you, but if you really can?t say what you would do, because you are not in the same situation he was. He took the best offer he did not stab anyone in the back. He did what anyone would do even Lindsey Hunter said he would have done the same. Yet people treat him like a shark. Why should signing the best contract offered to him destroy the good will he built up, or what he did during his time as a Piston? Did you become a fan of his because of his contract? Then why should you stop now?</div> obviously ill never be in that situation, so its easy to say that. however i know what kind of person i am...of course if i WANTED to leave the team, it would be easy to leave for more money...but wallace had a good thing going...i just dont see why he left? seems the only reason he left is because he felt "insulted" by the pistons offer, and watned more money. I know what kind of person i am, and i would stick with my friends/team and show loyalty for 48 million, then turn my back on people for 60 million...hypothetical situation or not...i know what kind of person i am. im a fan of the ben wallace of the passed...im disgusted with his greed. there is nothing i hate more then athletes acting like spoiled children. thats what i see here. to be "dissapointed" by an offer of 48 million disgusts me.
Ben Wallace on quite frankly just denied he said he was "disappointed" with the 46 million dollar offer. He said "it would be silly for someone to be dissappointed I would think someone would have to be loved to be offered 46 million dollars". He said the money was not the reason he left, but that it was a career move. He also just finished saying that he was upset the Pistons had gotten away from their defensive minded play. Take it for what it's worth, but just letting you know.
BKS is right, in that Ben Wallace has a family to look after, he may already be a multi millionaire, but thats beyond the point, as a grown man, he still has to put his families best interest at heart, this new deal has probally secured his family financial wealth for the rest of their lives. Not to mention Ben is 1 of 11 children, growing up he was most likely poor, yet he worked hard to get to where he is today, a star in the best basketball league on earth, if he feels he is worth more money, then so be it, end of story right there, we can't argue with his reasoning for his decision. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"The money (has) never been an issue to me. My whole thing has always been about being secure where you're at, having an opportunity to start a family," said Wallace. "It's always been about being secure."</div> Thats what annoys me most about this whole debarcle, the fact he said that, yet went with the bigger contract anyway, but I cant blame him, I cant be angry at him, because if I was in/came from the same situation he did, I'd have done the exact same thing.
Wallace can suck it! i am so dissappointed with him, i always thought he was a great guy who wasnt concerned with all the glitz and glamor, obviously he's a sucker for Mr.Money's Balls. Greedy, just like everybody else in the NBA, with the exception of a small group of players who have the decency to ask for reasonable contracts, and ofcourse the guys who deserve it, like Shaq and Garnett and Kobe and Duncan.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AKIRA:</div><div class="quote_post">Wallace can suck it! i am so dissappointed with him, i always thought he was a great guy who wasnt concerned with all the glitz and glamor, obviously he's a sucker for Mr.Money's Balls. Greedy, just like everybody else in the NBA, with the exception of a small group of players who have the decency to ask for reasonable contracts, and ofcourse the guys who deserve it, like Shaq and Garnett and Kobe and Duncan.</div> oh please, dont act like you wouldnt do the same thing, because you would.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">BKS is right, in that Ben Wallace has a family to look after, he may already be a multi millionaire, but thats beyond the point, as a grown man, he still has to put his families best interest at heart, this new deal has probally secured his family financial wealth for the rest of their lives. Not to mention Ben is 1 of 11 children, growing up he was most likely poor, yet he worked hard to get to where he is today, a star in the best basketball league on earth, if he feels he is worth more money, then so be it, end of story right there, we can't argue with his reasoning for his decision. Thats what annoys me most about this whole debarcle, the fact he said that, yet went with the bigger contract anyway, but I cant blame him, I cant be angry at him, because if I was in/came from the same situation he did, I'd have done the exact same thing.</div> Is his family really going to starve to death if he takes $46 million instead of $60 million! Jesus christ!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting slpnsld23:</div><div class="quote_post">Is his family really going to starve to death if he takes $46 million instead of $60 million! Jesus christ!</div> Do you really think it is all about his family? Do you really think that every sports person in the USA who is good and signs the mega-contract is looking out just for family? If it were just about being comfortable there wouldnt be a need to sign ridiculous deals like Wallace or Peyton Manning or A-Rods etc. Everyone here says that they would take the $46 over the $60, but really do you think that every sports person in the USA just happens to be greedy and when they were younger believed that they would tkae the most amount of money offered to them when and if they become a sports star?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting slpnsld23:</div><div class="quote_post">Is his family really going to starve to death if he takes $46 million instead of $60 million! Jesus christ!</div> No, they arnt, but Ben still has a commitment to his family to provide for them, $60,000,000 garuntees financial security for his family for the rest of their lives. Family comes first, Basketball comes second. I know if I was a basketball player, I would be looking out for the interests of my own and my family rather than the opinion of a few disgruntled fans. I'm just as dissapointed to see Ben leave as you are, but the difference between us is I can see the reasoning behind his decision, and I'm not holding it against him, I understand completley why he decided to take Chicagos offer, and its unfair if we hold it against him, because as I said, everyone on this forum would do the exact same thing, take $60,000,000 over $45,000,000. Anyway it doesnt matter anymore, the deals done, end of story.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting slpnsld23:</div><div class="quote_post">Is his family really going to starve to death if he takes $46 million instead of $60 million! Jesus christ!</div> exactly. this "he did it for his family" is just a nice way of saying "i have kids to feed" which was sprewell's quote and the butt end of every joke made that year. its ridiculous and i dont buy it for a second. but since this whole story wasnt accurate to begin with, i guess this is a redundant debate. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">No, they arnt, but Ben still has a commitment to his family to provide for them, $60,000,000 garuntees financial security for his family for the rest of their lives. </div> and 48 mill wouldnt?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">and 48 mill wouldnt?</div> Well obviously not. You cant honestly sit behind your screen and tell me that if one person offered you $48,000,000 and another person offered you $60,000,000, you wouldnt take the $60,000,000.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"I appreciate everything Detroit did for me and my family,? Wallace said Monday night, confirming that he will sign a four-year deal with the Bulls on July 12, the first day free agents are able to sign new contracts. ?They gave me an opportunity to make a name for myself and we had an opportunity to win a championship together. This is always going to be a special place. ?This is just one of those things. When you get a chance to sign a deal of a lifetime, it's tough to let it go.?</div> Source This article is old, but it just represents everything Wallace stands for class. He does not leave the organization with any bad blood, or anything. He does not take a shot at management, as many superstars seem to do now days, warranted or not. Wallace has nothing for respect for Detroit, and I think the true fans understand why he made the choice he made. I am actually hoping people continue to critise him and his game, and not every single reason why he did not deserve this deal, etc. That is what Ben feeds off criticism. In high school, Ben Wallace was 6?7? inches and played shortstop for his high school team, when people asked him why he did it Ben said, ?Because they told me I couldn?t?. There is nothing more to be said that has not already been stated by NTC. The man took the best offer that was presented to him there is nothing wrong with that, and no reason you should make the man out to be some kind of snake when he is not.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">Well obviously not. You cant honestly sit behind your screen and tell me that if one person offered you $48,000,000 and another person offered you $60,000,000, you wouldnt take the $60,000,000.</div> How do know he would take more money, you don't know him. Not everyone in the world takes more money. Ex: Udonis Haslem taking 30 million from the Heat instead of 36-38 million from the Cavs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">How do know he would take more money, you don't know him. Not everyone in the world takes more money. Ex: Udonis Haslem taking 30 million from the Heat instead of 36-38 million from the Cavs.</div> He might not, but he also hasnt said that he wouldnt. It's very easy for us to come on here and say "oh I wouldnt take the money", we're not the ones signing the contract. Anyway thats not important, the bottom line is, as BKS said, there is no reason for Pistons fans to hate Ben Wallace, he has served our club proudly for the past 5 seasons, now he feels its time he moved on. We can't hold that against him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">you cant be serious? do you honestly believe he or his family have any financial concern already? if he signed a 30 million dollar contract...never mind a 48million...you think that could be the difference maker in his familys financial security for years to come? its disgusting...its also disapointing that ben wallace has become "one of those" athletes. he and others should take a page out of gilbert's book and jsut say "ill take a pay cut so that we can win".</div> How dare Ben Wallace acts like 99% of all NBA athletes and doesn't take Gilbert Arenas' example.... Is anyone complaining about LeBron settling for less than max money in a 3 year contract so he can cash in 3 years, with a new CBA?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">Well obviously not. You cant honestly sit behind your screen and tell me that if one person offered you $48,000,000 and another person offered you $60,000,000, you wouldnt take the $60,000,000.</div> didnt i already answer that EXACT question in a previous post? its not a fair comparison. im not ben wallace. im not already a multi millionaire 3 times over again. of course I would...i drive a honda. i dont have 5 million dollars in cars <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">How dare Ben Wallace acts like 99% of all NBA athletes and doesn't take Gilbert Arenas' example....</div> not so much "how dare he" but more like...why not? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Is anyone complaining about LeBron settling for less than max money in a 3 year contract so he can cash in 3 years, with a new CBA?</div> i am...i think its greedy on all their parts...all the players from that class are doing that, and its sickening. i cant get over people SUPPORTING this.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">didnt i already answer that EXACT question in a previous post? its not a fair comparison. im not ben wallace. im not already a multi millionaire 3 times over again. of course I would...i drive a honda. i dont have 5 million dollars in cars.</div> So what you're basically saying is that Ben is greedy for taking a better job oppurtunity?
