I was hoping for something great back in return for Damp but I knew it was very unlikely. I have seen Harrington play a lot but I'm not too familiar with Mohammud.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">He'll probably get moved maybe February or sooner than I think. It's possible we can make a run for a disgruntled star without having to give up a lot or get a draft pick or buncha of players for a team looking to make a push for the playoffs. I'm really excited about next year's draft. Next year's draft is going to be where all the big centers from eastern europe come out to be drafted in the first round. Or if we don't go that high to take a player we want, we can grab Raymond Felton or another point guard for once in the first round. Also if the Warriors make a deal for Andriuskevicius or Yi Jianlian I'll be happy. Those two guys have tremendous potential and most likely will be the next two season's top 3 choices.</div> Wow, CustodianRules2, you really know your basketball. I think you're think alittle ahead, what about the upcoming season?
While I would rather have done a deal to get Bender, Artest, or Carter, I'm happy they didn't do a deal with Memphis for Swift. Carter and Artest would have given the Warriors an established star. There's a chance that Richardson and/or Pietrus could be just as good, but it's by no means certain. But it looks like Mullin likes them enough to take the gamble. Here are the pros and cons of the NY deal as I see it: Pro #1: Gets Damp out of the western conference. The Warriors will only have to see him twice a year, and I'd much rather have him be a non-factor to the Warriors playoff chances by virtue of him being in NY, than hurting their chances by helping out Phoenix, Dallas, or Memphis. Pro #2: Gets a solid back up at center for Foyle. I've said before that Foyle has averaged double figures in points and rebounds whenever he's got 30+ minutes a game over the last three years, but he's injury prone. At 6-10 250, Mohammed has the size to be a starting center in the west if needed, which is something I can't say about Swift. Pro #3: By doing the deal, the Warriors ensure that they will have some cap room next year and the year afterwards. Mohammed is reasonably priced at 5.2 mil this year and 5.5 mil next year (his last). Harrington could be waived right now as far as I'm concerned. He's in the last year of his deal and all I see in him is 3.1 mil in cap space next year. This will give them a nice combination of tradeable assets and the cap space to absorb bigger contracts in trades. Again, that's not something I could say if Swift was dealt here in a 5 year 40-45 mil deal. Con #1: If I had to choose between Damp's 6 year deal starting at 9 mil and Foyle's 5 year deal starting at 6.5 mil, I might be take Damp over Foyle. But the more I think about it, Damp would be making about 14 mil in the last year of his deal, and that looks a lot like an anchor to me. Con #2: Now, we'll never know for sure, but the Warriors may have lost out on the chance to get a star player. At the very least, the Warriors now have one less way to clear up the point guard problem (whether that means moving Claxston or NVE). So... I think the expectations of a few people may have been too high in terms of what Damp could bring the Warriors. This deal certainly isn't very sexy, but by no means is it a bad deal. The Warriors got their back up center and they retained their cap flexibility. The fact that the Warriors didn't persue guys like Carter and Bender more heavily is probably a sign of one of two things: 1) those guys were never available and/or 2) Mullin has enough faith in Pietrus and Richardson that he didn't want to give them up to get Bender or Carter.
Mohammed reminds me of Keon Clark. I think he could be a starting center in the west. It will be interesting to see how Adonal and Nazr progress under Monty. I was really hoping this trade went down compared to the other rumors. Of course if we could have gotten Artest or VC that would have been great, but it looked like we were going to get the worse of the deals. Now all we need to do is get rid of one of our PGs (preferably NVE) and Clif for a good player.
This will also see if Damp is a big liar and is going to go for the money, or if he really does want to win. If he accepts the trade to NY, I will respect him. The other thing is how is NY going to feel about him if he pulls another job like he did on us after he got his last contract?
I think it's an OK deal for the Warriors. They weren't going to get a star player for Damp, and they certainly didn't want to pick up any new, long term salaries. This way they get a backup C at a reasonable cap number (which also makes Nazr tradeable later if we choose). And his contract expires right about the time that Biedrins should be ready to play some at C (after 05-06 season). Harrington will come off the books next season, as will CRob and NVE ($21 mil about). NVE will not be traded, because we want that cap room, and because no one wants him, and we would have to get $12 mil in salaries back. So get ready for some complaining, because I think he's going to rot on the bench. What I'd really like to see is Mullin convince Isiah to take Esh's contract (3 more years around $3-4 mil), and we take Dikembe. He can't play any more, but he's another $5 mil in cap space next year. Then, the Warriors play all their young guys and figure out who to keep. Murph and JRich will be restriced FAs, MDJr and Speedy will be team options. Pietrus and Biedrins are locked up for a few years yet. They will likely lose a lot of games (the west is going to be tough), and get in position to draft a great young PG to learn from, and in time replace, DFish. Around '06, we have a great young team, and many of the western powers will be in decline. Unfortunately, I think the Foyle and DFish contracts will make it hard to get a big name free agent, unless we let (at least) one of the young guys walk.
I agree with that fansince75 about Foyle and Fish. The Mutombo contract really wouldn't match though with Eschmeyer's so it'd be like taking on more money and maybe going over the cap for this year only(?). But I guess it doesn't matter when Mutombo comes off we lose 3-4 mil each year off the cap by getting rid of Eschmeyer. Maybe the Knicks know they can use him as a bigger bargaining chip just like with what we can do with Nick Van Exel later on.
Damp and Esh would total a bit over 12 mil, Nazr, Harrington, and Dikembe would be just under 13 mil...how close do they have to be? Harrington and Dikembe come off the books after next year, so you do spend about 1.5 mil more this year, but then you can spend that 3 mil from Esh to resign some of your youngsters. Have you seen this site: http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state.htm Anyway, I don't think it's gonna happen, but I'm all for moving bad contracts to other teams, we've been the recipient of bad contracts long enough!
Cool, yes I've seen the site but I'm wondering what other deals the Warriors have up their sleaves to avoid going over the cap this year and I know Mutombo's contract is massive.
according to greg logan of newsday, atlanta is likely to leave dampier alone and go after swift, and mullin has denied the reports of a trade. http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition...ny-sports-print Mullin yesterday denied a published report that said he already had agreed to trade Dampier to the Knicks for center Nazr Mohammed and forward Othella Harrington. "It's all speculation," Mullin told Bay Area reporters at a news conference introducing Warriors point guard Derek Fisher. "Nothing is imminent right now ... We're talking to several other teams. When something becomes clear, we're going to regroup and go from there."
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">So what happens to Damp if we don't trade him and the Hawks go after Swift?</div> Then Fegan wreaks havoc on our organization by taking Richardson and Murphy elsewhere. I hate agents.
