I don't know why the hell we don't see, at some point during the game, a line-up with: PG SG SF Powell Biedrins The Warriors are so DAMN thin inside, Nellie only plays one big man at any given time, Al Harrington has no hops whatsoever and is always flat-footed (ala Troy Murphy), he really gives no interior presence at all. The Warriors are going to have to play by the rules and actually put a BIG MAN at the big man positions or they're finished IMO.
Well BArnes demonstrated precisely why i dont like him on this team for any minutes. His slow footed defense was so pathetic he made murphy look like an all star defensive player. 3 of 5 possesions.. 1. barnes guarding marshall he curls right around barnes.... so slow... then he matchesup on pavlovik only to be schooled.... finally he guards varajao on the post and again just gets worked.... nelson pulls him from the game.... 2 minutes later nelson puts him back in and the very first play pavlovic about breaks his ankles blowing by him.... It is bad enough Barnes can't guard anyone ..... but then to jack up those shots .... you can tell he has in his mind " i am shooting" before he touches the ball.... clank....clank..... and quit trying to lead the break ..... you have no handles barnes.... This game is on Nelson.... clearly what we had was not working... Jackson looked slow and sluggish.... BArnes absolutely pathetic..... he needs to experience the bench for an entire game ....every other game.... he needs the message sent again Nellie... Just uninspired play..... but maybe because we were'nt aggressive.... but i can't recall one call going our way... penetration didnt even get us to the line.... jackson gets raked across the arms and loses the ball .... just obvious foul....and instead he grabs pavlovic in furstration... this sure sucked the air out of this road trip
reply... iunno what happend. but cavs lost. warriors got davis, lebron isn't playing. that's just my opinion...
<div class="quote_poster">canseco-magic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">iunno what happend. but cavs lost. warriors got davis, lebron isn't playing. that's just my opinion...</div>What?
I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but this is one of the reasons why I don't think the Warriors will make the playoffs. Don Nelson is good and all, but this team overall is constructed very small and very weak, especially for the road. If this team was truly good we'd be able to persevere without Richardson and be able to do more besides relying on the fastbreak or the 3 point shot. I've watched enough basketball to know it's not the fault of the coaches, but the overall luck and planning by this organization (from top to bottom). The draft is a crapshoot, but I think we've always managed to miss out on franchise players when there is a draft for those type of guys. If we did badly during the deep drafts, we'd probably get a high % to land a true difference maker to add to Baron Davis for the inside play. Maybe we could have lucked out and got the Chris Bosh, Carmelo Anythony, Amare, or Yao Ming player if we were luckier. Hopefully, the turnaround point for this franchise is in the seasons to come if it's not this year. This year it seems like Don Nelson has to put everything he's got to make this Mullin lineup work. It's tough to say who is at fault, but I know we probably could have started this playoff run sooner had we got the right coach and the right chemistry/talent to begin with. I don't want to come off sounding negative all the time, but I just don't see any light right now. And that's why I really appreciate the support of the Warriors fan community to get me through these hard times as a long time Warriors fan. It's just hard to see over a decade of constant failure. That's not to say I'm totally writing off the Warriors, but it just seems that way considering how limited our offense/rebounding/defense is and also the fact we're not doing well on the road. I guess if my stance is inconsistent, it's probably depending on the mood I'm in. Heh. Sometimes I feel like this franchise is turning the corner and other times I'm without hope. It's tough to gauge where this franchise is really at.... Hopefully the rest of the road games go well, if not we're hopeless... I'm sad to say.
If we can find a way to not over-rely on the 3point shot or the fastbreak, I think we'll be good. But it's tough when we're small like this.
<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but this is one of the reasons why I don't think the Warriors will make the playoffs. Don Nelson is good and all, but this team overall is constructed very small and very weak, especially for the road. If this team was truly good we'd be able to persevere without Richardson and be able to do more besides relying on the fastbreak or the 3 point shot. I've watched enough basketball to know it's not the fault of the coaches, but the overall luck and planning by this organization (from top to bottom). The draft is a crapshoot, but I think we've always managed to miss out on franchise players when there is a draft for those type of guys. If we did badly during the deep drafts, we'd probably get a high % to land a true difference maker to add to Baron Davis for the inside play. Maybe we could have lucked out and got the Chris Bosh, Carmelo Anythony, Amare, or Yao Ming player if we were luckier. Hopefully, the turnaround point for this franchise is in the seasons to come if it's not this year. This year it seems like Don Nelson has to put everything he's got to make this Mullin lineup work. It's tough to say who is at fault, but I know we probably could have started this playoff run sooner had we got the right coach and the right chemistry/talent to begin with. I don't want to come off sounding negative all the time, but I just don't see any light right now. And that's why I really appreciate the support of the Warriors fan community to get me through these hard times as a long time Warriors fan. It's just hard to see over a decade of constant failure. That's not to say I'm totally writing off the Warriors, but it just seems that way considering how limited our offense/rebounding/defense is and also the fact we're not doing well on the road. I guess if my stance is inconsistent, it's probably depending on the mood I'm in. Heh. Sometimes I feel like this franchise is turning the corner and other times I'm without hope. It's tough to gauge where this franchise is really at.... Hopefully the rest of the road games go well, if not we're hopeless... I'm sad to say.</div> I know what you're saying CR2, but when Andris Biedrins is having problems, starting Adonal Foyle is not the answer. And having a coach that keeps changing the starting lineup may not have the right strategy in mind. That said, playing Josh Powell more helps but he isn't exactly starting material either. And starting AL at the PF spot and Stephen Jackson at SF/SG hasn't been the answer all the time. So do you want to try and make a trade before the trading deadline or accept what you got and hope for the best?
I watched a little of gasol recently.... and kind of agree less with MT perhaps we should throw everything excluding (biedrins, ellis, j-rich and baron... maybe harrington) at Memphis and see what sticks... Pietrues, barnes, powell, carbarkapa and their expiring contracts.... sarunas to help with their woeful point guard position... i doubt they want jackson or foyle unfortunatley any deal would have to include foyle.... maybe foyle, pietrus carbarkapa and a pick..... 2008 no 1 and this years no 2's?
I don't think they're done trading. They simply can't go through rest the season with Beans and Foyle (and maybe powell a little) as their only bigs.
Well we can't include any of the ex-pacers in a multi-team deal -- it would have to be a 1-on-1 trade. Thus SJax, AL, Sar, and Powell cannot be included in a "package" for Gasol, AK-47, etc. That leaves a thin pile of chips: Baron JRich Pietrus Barnes Foyle AZ Zarko POB If you leave Baron and JRich out, you're left with a pile of scrubs that won't get you a good player in return. To get Gasol, we'd have to give back $13 mil in salary, and the only bulk salary we have is Foyle. But no one wants his sorry ass. The only way to make a trade like that is to include JRich or Baron. Considering Baron is playing the best ball of his career and really gelling with Nelson, that leaves JRich as the only chip GS can use to make a big trade (without giving up Monta or Beans which is a no-brainer to me). Otherwise, we're hoping for something like: Pietrus Foyle Barnes 2007 picks But the Bulls and Blazers can offer MUCH better packages I'd figure. The Warriors have a bunch of guards and no Power Forward. Yet all their guards are essentially unmovable (Baron, Monta, JRich for keepers, SJax, Rooney, AL because they can't be included in a package). Oh well.
alley ... nelson has been known to throw in picks like crazy..... remember the 3 picks he handed orlando for c-webb..... Pietrus Foyle Barnes 2008, 2010 1st round picks.... (2012)? wouldnt be a shocker Like before.... mortgaging a bit of the future for now..... the question is ..... is gasol really worth it and would he be the answer getting us to the promised land. I would say no..... but if he wants to do something like that to get KG, that would be more like it.
Never put all your eggs in one basket. The Webber deal is exhibit A in that. If Gasol is available post season,when we have freedom to mix in ex-Pacers,when we can demand and get full value for J Rich...then,perhaps. Gasol has been on the brink of bolting,not content. We had Jamal Wilkes,Webber,Joe Smith,Arenas,all basically bolt. Even Rick Barry and JB Carroll temporarily escaped. Be wary.
I agree with REREM. Warriors shouldn't repeat history by trying to build a smallish run tmc team, only to lose everything and suck for almost a decade and a half.
REREM, the Webber fiasco is why I don't want Nelson as GM. I hated him as GM. First, he ruined Run TMC for me and that's when I became a STH. So even though Mullin as GM sucks and Nelson as GM sucks, I'm hoping they can work things out so they each become better GMs and make good decisions together. I mean if those guys didn't have a history with each other, then we would have a major disagreement on this team the way Nelson goes on his public rants while Mullin rarely lets anyone know what he's thinking.
Warriors playing better tonight. They are making their shots and going inside. AB getting touches and making them!
<div class="quote_poster">jason voorhees Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I know what you're saying CR2, but when Andris Biedrins is having problems, starting Adonal Foyle is not the answer. And having a coach that keeps changing the starting lineup may not have the right strategy in mind. That said, playing Josh Powell more helps but he isn't exactly starting material either. And starting AL at the PF spot and Stephen Jackson at SF/SG hasn't been the answer all the time. So do you want to try and make a trade before the trading deadline or accept what you got and hope for the best?</div> Montgomery was doing the same thing, which tells me both coaches weren't getting what they needed from their bigs, which hammers back to the GM not building this team right from the very start. We're having to play catchup. So here we are. And I don't want to sound like a know-it-all ass, but damn I'm looking right about my warriors after all! The trade wasn't going to be helping us unless we added a few more things, we just added more of what we sort of had already. Good move if we were willing to lose a prospect like Ike to lose an overpaid, but decent player in Murphy and an overpaid, terrible player in Dunleavy. It's the same record as last year probably and it's not looking too good. It's the players, man. Gotta find the right roles for this team so it can compete with the types of things we're not doing to win consistently.
