Warriors Out of Running For Iverson?

<div class="quote_poster">HiRez Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, he can't technically nix a deal, Philadelphia can trade him wherever they want to. And I assume they'd like to not trade him to another eastern team if at all possible. So Denver is looking pretty good for AI.</div>

It may not be too bad that Iverson goes to Denver. They have a great scoring team now, but will prolly have to give up Andre Miller and without him they won't be moving the ball around as much. Hard to believe but add the NBA scoring leader to the #2 scoring team and they get worse.

 

<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I was just saying the Warriors could do a trade for KG if they wanted (if he was available). Because you said we don't have much of a chance if he was available.</div>

I think our chances are okay. We'll be in the running like we were in the running with the now dead Iverson deal.

Still, I don't think our chances for KG would be as good if the Fakers are willing to deal Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum and change. That's one rumor. It would be the rich getting richer as the Fakers would have both KG and Kobe to build around.

IF Minnesota is willing to take two out of the three bad contracts we have, then we have a good chance to make a deal. But likely would have to give up JRich or Baron and Ike, too. The problem with KG is our team could be decimated after we trade for him and then we'd be carrying his huge contract. If we could keep Baron, Monta, AB and then add KG, that would be a nice nucleus for the Warriors to build with.

 

<div class="quote_poster">jason voorhees Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It may not be too bad that Iverson goes to Denver. They have a great scoring team now, but will prolly have to give up Andre Miller and without him they won't be moving the ball around as much. Hard to believe but add the NBA scoring leader to the #2 scoring team and they get worse.</div>

But Iverson gives them an outside threat. I'd hardly feel comfortable depending on JR Smith, even if he went wild the other night.

 

<div class="quote_poster">philsmith75 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">But Iverson gives them an outside threat. I'd hardly feel comfortable depending on JR Smith, even if he went wild the other night.</div>

Just last night JR Smith had an "0 for" and had 2 points total. haha

I will be relieved when Iverson is traded. I just don't like how the W's are mentioned in the Iverson auction. Time and time again its either Monta or Biedrins both of whom, in my opinion and in agreement with others on the board, are untouchable.

 

JR smith doesn't have an all-around game. He can beat up on high schoolers like a Vince Carter, but he's a boy amongst men in the NBA. Once he learns how to play an actual nba shooting guard he could be pretty good, though.

I hope AI gets traded soon (and not to the Warriors) because the suspense is killing me. I don't want to find out on the radio tomorrow morning that the Warriors have traded two future first rounders, the bird rights to Andris Biedrins, and Jason Richardson and the bird rights to Monta Ellis for AI. I keep having nightmares that Mullin is going to do something stupid. He can ace the no-brainer deals, but anything that takes more than no-brains we might have trouble with him in charge. We're talking about a guy that was pretty sure he had a playoff team with good chemistry and decided to lockup up and grossly overpay several bench players to be nba starters in the western conference. All that took place when the books were clean aside from Murphy/Jrich re-signing.

 

Funny stuff. Read this:

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">One question keeps coming up with every mention of Iverson possibly landing in Boston: Can Iverson and Paul Pierce coexist? "I think it would work out with the two of us," said Pierce. "I played with the biggest jacker in league history in Antoine Walker, didn't I? He was just jacking up shots. At least Iverson might go hit them at a higher clip and get to the free throw line." Boston Globe</div>Three letters for the Truth's comments... LOL!

Antoine Jacker is right. Man, how did that guy ever get to be all-star?

Actually, Antoine Walker is a pretty good player... in small doses.

 

I feel that if this trade goes down, it will be pretty bad for GSW. They have a little rhythm going on with the players they have and if they get Iverson, new play style, and probably a little change in the team, it could be positive pr negative, but I would say no to trading for Iverson to keep this team chemistry going.

 

According to Peter Vecsey of the NY Post:

The Clippers won't give up Shaun Livingston. The Warriors won't give up Andris Biedrins or Monta Ellis. The Timberwolves don't appear willing to give up Randy Foye, but even if they are, they have next to nobody the 76ers want.

Thank Goodness!!! Hope this is true.

 

A.I. is amazing, but his trade value on the market is really low it seems. I hope the Warriors don't trade for A.I., I think they're better off. They're not even completely healthy yet.

 

<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">JR smith doesn't have an all-around game. He can beat up on high schoolers like a Vince Carter, but he's a boy amongst men in the NBA. Once he learns how to play an actual nba shooting guard he could be pretty good, though.

I hope AI gets traded soon (and not to the Warriors) because the suspense is killing me. I don't want to find out on the radio tomorrow morning that the Warriors have traded two future first rounders, the bird rights to Andris Biedrins, and Jason Richardson and the bird rights to Monta Ellis for AI. I keep having nightmares that Mullin is going to do something stupid. He can ace the no-brainer deals, but anything that takes more than no-brains we might have trouble with him in charge. We're talking about a guy that was pretty sure he had a playoff team with good chemistry and decided to lockup up and grossly overpay several bench players to be nba starters in the western conference. All that took place when the books were clean aside from Murphy/Jrich re-signing.</div>

I also have a pretty bad feeling that if the Warriors got Iverson we'd regret it,as we likely overpay in talent-pay his giant contract,and then we need to deal with his mood swings and ego

What can go wrong-will go wrong,and don't put all your eggs in one basket are sayings that come to mind. Best case-we get a boost for a few years then he fades/expires leaving us worse than we are now.

 

<div class="quote_poster">REREM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I also have a pretty bad feeling that if the Warriors got Iverson we'd regret it,as we likely overpay in talent-pay his giant contract,and then we need to deal with his mood swings and ego

What can go wrong-will go wrong,and don't put all your eggs in one basket are sayings that come to mind. Best case-we get a boost for a few years then he fades/expires leaving us worse than we are now.</div>

Yeah, I'm hopeful that Mullin will believe that the best way to make an impact on this team is to plan long term and develop the young players with good basic skills and with plenty of high ceiling. I'm very impressed with Ike, Ellis, and Biedrins and can't wait until they are ready. But we're stuck because we still don't have a very balanced team yet and it will become more inbalanced if we start trading packages for AI that involve our best young talent that could improve tremendously over time. AI loves to shoot it, even more so than Baron. And we'll probably find even more things to complain about with Iverson at point guard. It'll be disaster...

I just hope we keep training the big guys. That's the key. We're only going to go as far as our biggest man and the backcourt supporting them. Now if Biedrins is the biggest guy we got that's any good, I'm grateful, but not happy that he is our offensive threat inside. He's not really an inside scorer on his own.

 

Yeah, watching this team lately, I think:

a)trading for AI would not really help the team

b)trading for Pao Gasol would make this team a playoff force

 

<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, watching this team lately, I think:

a)trading for AI would not really help the team

b)trading for Pao Gasol would make this team a playoff force</div>

Yeah, I wouldn't even complain about B because even though some fans of Gasol claim he doesn't perform that well down the stretch like a superstar, at least he can get us through three quarters most nights and his passing skill is quite underrated among big men. There are only a handful of big guys who are in their prime that I think are excellent passers. Yao Ming, Brad Miller, Pau Gasol, Tim Duncan. Others I would include were guys like Shareef Abdur Rahim, Chris Webber, Shaq, Clif Robinson, and Charlie Villanueva. Assist numbers might not show it, but when they pass, it's usually a smart one and an accurate pass at the right moment. Dominant guys shouldn't have to pass unless it's the only option.

 

From Steve Kerr at cbssportsline.com:

<font color=""Red"">I don't dislike Iverson. In fact, I really don't know him, other than playing against him a lot during my career (and usually giving up about 40 points or so). I respect his talent and his competitiveness and how hard he plays. No one can argue with that. But I don't think Iverson understands that there's a lot more to winning than playing hard. He openly disdains practice, which not only sets a horrible example for young teammates, but automatically undermines his coach as well. If you want to win an NBA title, you can't do that. I was lucky enough to play with five championship teams, and I watched guys such as Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan work their tails off at practice and work closely with their coaches. I believe that's why they were champions. The point of my article was not that I disliked Iverson – it was simply that teams are very reluctant to trade for him because of what comes with him – poor practice habits and a $20 million salary.</font>

Unique insight into valuing a player.

 

<div class="quote_poster">philsmith75 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">From Steve Kerr at cbssportsline.com:

<font color=""Red"">I don't dislike Iverson. In fact, I really don't know him, other than playing against him a lot during my career (and usually giving up about 40 points or so). I respect his talent and his competitiveness and how hard he plays. No one can argue with that. But I don't think Iverson understands that there's a lot more to winning than playing hard. He openly disdains practice, which not only sets a horrible example for young teammates, but automatically undermines his coach as well. If you want to win an NBA title, you can't do that. I was lucky enough to play with five championship teams, and I watched guys such as Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan work their tails off at practice and work closely with their coaches. I believe that's why they were champions. The point of my article was not that I disliked Iverson ? it was simply that teams are very reluctant to trade for him because of what comes with him ? poor practice habits and a $20 million salary.</font>

Unique insight into valuing a player.</div>


When it's a guy passing his prime-and costing $20 mill per-and you'd give future gains for his short term boost...it better be a lot of boost and not a mixed bag. Iverson has had teams pander to him,he gets his way. How will he react when the rules apply to him too? How will he be as a role model?

It's unlikely they accept Dun,Foyle,Roberson and their crummy pick as payoff. I really don"t WANT to give a 26 yr old star to get a 31 yr old star at twice the price. i don't want to weaken several positins to overload where we are strong.

Gasol? Sure,he could help,he's got more years left. He's also got to show he's 100%.....and then there will be a LOT of teams interested. Gasol will be real expensive-and the ideas suggested,would tend to look bad further down the road.

 

At what point are we going to modify our small ball team and put somebody in there that can rebound? Even if it was Foyle playing the 4 or start Dunleavy at SF again. We need some bigger players in there. At this point I have would no problem with Dunleavy starting again providing he can play the way he has been playing and sit Barnes. Then we need to address the PF position either Ike needs to get in there to get into shape, or Foyle/POB needs to be in there because I am getting SICK of losing because of second chance points...

 

Steve Kerr is right. It takes team basketball to win games including from the superstars. If Kobe didn't pass to Shaq and Shaq didn't pass to Kobe, there'd be no inside-outside ball movement and no open looks for anybody else on the floor. And guys like that still need to practice. That's how they cut down turnovers in real games and get used to what plays/routes they plan to run.

I mean the coach is only as good as the general management and ownership because they together choose what we can/can't afford or who we wind up with long term/short term. Most coaches in the NBA don't even get the last word. I'm a little bit worried about Nelson's ability to succeed with the roster he's inherited because it is so flawed, small ball can actually hurt this team's ability to win more games than we lose if we can't pound the ball inside and force more open looks for other players.

People may not like my incessant criticism of Mullin or my tired complaints about lack of inside-outside ball movement, but I believe they are valid. If Nelson had a say in everything the Warriors did back in '04, I'd believe we'd be in a different place than the one Mullin put the franchise in. What good are good drafts or coaching, if the GM can't assemble the right starting players when he chose to lock them up for 6 years each? What good is keeping draft picks if we keep going to lottery every year and we overpay for the wrong guys.

With that said (again) I will be furious if Mullin trades away Biedrins, because he is currently our brightest and best chance of forming an anchor inside the paint. He is not a scorer, but he has smarts and athleticism and you can't teach both.

 

<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">With that said (again) I will be furious if Mullin trades away Biedrins</div>Mullin isn't that stupid, in fact I think he's already demonstrated that Beans is untouchable. Does anyone think that every team in the league has at one time this year not called Mullin asking about Biedrins? That probably goes for Ellis as well, as it is almost certain that Philly was asking for him. And last year, he didn't give up Ike for Artest. Plus, I really though Pietrus would be traded a dozen times by now, and he hasn't been. No, he likes his young guys a lot. I don't think Biedrins is going anywhere for a long time.

 

Denver just traded Andre Miller, Joe Smith and two numbers one to Philly for AI

link here

Not a bad trade for either team imo.

 

It would be interesting how Melo and AI can coexist, considering both players love to have a ball in their hands. Miller, expiring contract and 2 first rounder? Sounds like a bargain though. And, this would impact J.R Smith far more than the suspension. So much for a big contract for him I guess...