Maybe I was lucky enough to have missed the last two games, but it seems by the look of it that the tendency to shoot too many 3s is perhaps leading to the W's not having the ability to set up their D. Once the 3 bricks, it sparks a break and in the brief moments of the Nets game it led to Kidd running down and setting up Carter and Jefferson, especially with that one handed alley-oop rip. I still would like to see Mike D. with the ball in his hands with Murph hanging right outside the key and having JRich and BD posting up while Foyle positions for the O-Rebound. At least with this setup, whoever comes down to double, Mike's or Murph's man, one of them can put up a decent shot.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kensaku:</div><div class="quote_post">A bit premature to say that. This slump the W's are experiencing is expected. I'm glad it's happening sooner than later. Do you think changes in roster need to be made or changes in performance need to be made? I still think the current roster still haven't reached their potential yet, so why are we all of a sudden thinking the world is over? Every team but a select few hit road bumps in the long NBA season.</div> These games against New Jersey and Boston were must wins. Look at the month of January. Tue 3 @ Memphis 5:00pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 1050 AM Thu 5 Indiana 7:30pm -- TNT KNBR 680 AM Wed 11 Miami 7:30pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 680 AM Thu 12 @ Phoenix 6:00pm FSBayPlus NBALP KNBR 1050 AM Sat 14 L.A. Lakers 7:30pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 680 AM Mon 16 Seattle 1:00pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 1050 AM Fri 20 Cleveland 7:30pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 680 AM Sun 22 @ L.A. Clippers 12:30pm -- NBALP KNBR 680 AM Mon 23 L.A. Clippers 7:30pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 680 AM Wed 25 Dallas 7:30pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 680 AM Fri 27 @ L.A. Lakers 7:30pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 680 AM Sat 28 Portland Besides Portland and maybe Seattle, we are looking at a very very tough schedule. Our wins earlier were against deadbeat teams and now we can't even beat them anymore. I've seen this before for the past 3 years, this is looking like the W's could fall apart. The substitution patterns are making zero sense. Zarko is getting PT when our biggest concern is rebounding and defense. Sure. They must be showcasing him. Absolutely changes need to be made. The essential changes are to change the starting lineup and substitution patterns. Everyone on this board knows I hate old man Cheaney but start him. Dunleavy has to hit the pine, he's worthless right now. Start Biedrins instead of Foyle. Biedrins will probably spaz out and get a ton of fouls but you can activate Chris Taft, have Foyle take a few minutes or go small. This zarko BS needs to stop. He's just not what we need, Diogu is. The bad part is that Diogu is completely lost on an NBA court and defensively is pretty damn bad. Diogu offensively is good so it sort of evens out. He's small but the FT's, footwork and nice touch and rebounding will help more than Zarko's shooting and turnovers. Those must be done, period. I would be the 1st to say Dunleavy should not be benched but by the team he gets rolling, the season could be done. As far as possible trades, get a realistic center who's big and can rebound. I won't bother naming who but this is something Mullin must do. Kwan knows our salary situation quite well. Can't trade Dunleavy, can't afford to trade Fisher so that leaves our Carribean Center Foyle. Gotta unload that contract somewhere and if you give up a prospect and a first rounder, you do it. Common sense would suggest "hey trading Foyle and a 1st rounder/prospect for cap relief doesn't make us any better!" Well it might. You see, he really has played THAT poorly this year. The only reason he has the starting job is because he has no competition that's ready to play but it got to the point a 2nd rounder was clearly outplaying him. Foyle is done.
I agree on all of your points Upsidedown (except i dont think we should bench Dun unless Pietrus takes his place). Fisher has become a valuble asset that probably cant be replaced because of his knack for clutch shots. Dunleavy is virtually untradeable, Murphy also would be tough to replace. I also think it would be worth a first rounder to get rid of Foyle and his contract.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree on all of your points Upsidedown (except i dont think we should bench Dun unless Pietrus takes his place). Fisher has become a valuble asset that probably cant be replaced because of his knack for clutch shots. Dunleavy is virtually untradeable, Murphy also would be tough to replace. I also think it would be worth a first rounder to get rid of Foyle and his contract.</div> I think any of the front court players would be easily replaceble. Foyle being the most difficult unless the team picked up a shot blocking 4.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">I think any of the front court players would be easily replaceble. Foyle being the most difficult unless the team picked up a shot blocking 4.</div> I forgot to add that Foyle and pick should be for his replacement. Any Center who plays good defense, blocks shots, and can finish in traffic is good enough to make the team alot better. Foyle loses us alot of easy points just by dropping passes and failing to finish easy layups. I wouldnt be surprised if Baron was leading the league in assists if Foyle could make simple layups at point blank range.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting upsidedownside7:</div><div class="quote_post">These games against New Jersey and Boston were must wins. Look at the month of January. Tue 3 @ Memphis 5:00pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 1050 AM Thu 5 Indiana 7:30pm -- TNT KNBR 680 AM Wed 11 Miami 7:30pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 680 AM Thu 12 @ Phoenix 6:00pm FSBayPlus NBALP KNBR 1050 AM Sat 14 L.A. Lakers 7:30pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 680 AM Mon 16 Seattle 1:00pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 1050 AM Fri 20 Cleveland 7:30pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 680 AM Sun 22 @ L.A. Clippers 12:30pm -- NBALP KNBR 680 AM Mon 23 L.A. Clippers 7:30pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 680 AM Wed 25 Dallas 7:30pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 680 AM Fri 27 @ L.A. Lakers 7:30pm FSBay NBALP KNBR 680 AM Sat 28 Portland Besides Portland and maybe Seattle, we are looking at a very very tough schedule. Our wins earlier were against deadbeat teams and now we can't even beat them anymore. I've seen this before for the past 3 years, this is looking like the W's could fall apart. The substitution patterns are making zero sense. Zarko is getting PT when our biggest concern is rebounding and defense. Sure. They must be showcasing him. Absolutely changes need to be made. The essential changes are to change the starting lineup and substitution patterns. Everyone on this board knows I hate old man Cheaney but start him. Dunleavy has to hit the pine, he's worthless right now. Start Biedrins instead of Foyle. Biedrins will probably spaz out and get a ton of fouls but you can activate Chris Taft, have Foyle take a few minutes or go small. This zarko BS needs to stop. He's just not what we need, Diogu is. The bad part is that Diogu is completely lost on an NBA court and defensively is pretty damn bad. Diogu offensively is good so it sort of evens out. He's small but the FT's, footwork and nice touch and rebounding will help more than Zarko's shooting and turnovers. Those must be done, period. I would be the 1st to say Dunleavy should not be benched but by the team he gets rolling, the season could be done. As far as possible trades, get a realistic center who's big and can rebound. I won't bother naming who but this is something Mullin must do. Kwan knows our salary situation quite well. Can't trade Dunleavy, can't afford to trade Fisher so that leaves our Carribean Center Foyle. Gotta unload that contract somewhere and if you give up a prospect and a first rounder, you do it. Common sense would suggest "hey trading Foyle and a 1st rounder/prospect for cap relief doesn't make us any better!" Well it might. You see, he really has played THAT poorly this year. The only reason he has the starting job is because he has no competition that's ready to play but it got to the point a 2nd rounder was clearly outplaying him. Foyle is done.</div> Sorry, but your panic mode post is just that, a panic.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kensaku:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry, but your panic mode post is just that, a panic.</div> Hes just saying that come January we'll probably wish we won these games. If we keep on slumping through December then by the time Janury ends we may be well below .500.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">I think any of the front court players would be easily replaceble. Foyle being the most difficult unless the team picked up a shot blocking 4.</div> We only have 3 whom get the majority of minutes. Biedrins, Murph, Foyle. Biedrins is a 19 year, 7 ft center who is suprisingly athletic. You never ever trade a prospect like that. Murph is a competitor who comes in every night and produces. He fights for every rebound. Defensively he sucks but if he is gone, the team won't be able to secure a rebound the entire game like when Murph missed a game with the flu. That leaves Foyle. I know you like him Cohanhater but he's FINISHED. The guy's body has completely deteriorated and if he's not diving for balls and hustling and blocking shots, he's useless. When I watch him play, he reminds me of an old dog trying to play with young vibrant puppies. When you factor he never got a basketball IQ and used his body to get minutes, you know the guy is a bad investment. Barnett his the nail on the head: stop helping if you can't block the shot, it's leading to offensive rebound after offensive rebound. Now I am starting to see why Mullin was drooling for Channing Frye. Any center would have been an upgrade. To Frye's credit he has been doing pretty well in NY. To be fair I can't blame Adonal for every little thing. The shot selection sucks, Dunleavy is getting 1 point a game etc. but Adonal is about 1/3 of the reason we are losing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kensaku:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry, but your panic mode post is just that, a panic.</div> Hopefully I'm wrong but I've seen this the past three years. Our only hope is that Davis takes the reigns and gets this team up to ball.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kensaku:</div><div class="quote_post">How were the games "must win?"</div> I think what he means is that they are games you should win. The W's will realize the impact of those losses when it comes down to it, especially at the end of next month. With any luck, this team will still have its legs underneath it then, and still be able to look upon themselves as contenders, because January is a ROUGH stretch. They're only must win because they look bad losing them. I can understand the C's loss, though, because they were really dragging by mid third quarter. If you don't have legs by the middle of the third, you have no right winning anyway. They were a tired team on the road, and that's just how it goes. The Nets game should've been another story, especially the way they've been dogging and underacheiving on offense (the Nets, this is), and just not showing up defensively. I think this team lacks a killer instinct, although they are moving in the right direction with their fearlessness late in the game. TO's need to come down too.
Yes, I understand the statement "must win" in the context of this discussion. I apologize for taking it out of context. I do agree with your sentiments that it's good to win these games to put us in better position later in the year, but it's a long season and if we're going to hit a slump, it might as well be now. I'd rather have the W's play their best ball the last 20 games or so than right now. I could care less how we are positioned in the playoffs (unless we play the Spurs ) because as long as the W's play the way they're supposed to for the final 20 games or so, that will give us great momentum for the playoffs (IF). Take last year for example. The season was 2/3 over and it was the same old Warriors...then Baron Davis came along and put us in a playoff race for the 8th seed. If we landed Baron 10 games earlier, it might have been a different story. Anyway, my point is, we have Baron Davis for the whole season. The W's need to learn to play with Baron Davis and there are expected bumps along the way. I predict the W's to play mediocre basketball up to the All-Star break then HOPEFULLY, we will see the team develop into a solid and focused squad the second half of the season. That is my prediction...don't quote me.
The margin of error that the Warriors play with, I think is scarey and not good for the long run. If the team is not going to get points inside the paint, then it will be very difficult to win games consistantly. And if you don't rebound, it makes it that much more difficult to win. In such a tight Pacific Division and Western Confrence, as the Lakers are also starting to make a run, now. The Warriors need to clean up their play and start having players pick up their game and the coach clean up his strategies and reigns of the team. I want Montgomery to tell his team to start making plays, rather than choices, especially the choice to slow down the offense to rest a little bit. If you the coach thinks a player or players need to rest, then you ought to take him out, no? "We tend to come down one-on-three and we're right back on defense again and maybe you need to rest on offense, make a few more passes." I understand what he is trying to say, but not really. I would agree on playing smarter, but to ssay taht maybe you need to rest on offense, is just a very very bad statement to make. That is why I liked Musselmen. When you are on the court you play as hard as you can no matter what, and you just focus on making plays. But with Montgomery its about conserving your energy on offense and doing whatever I suppose. I dont know... But yes, the strategies that they use ought to change, and other players ought to step up their games soon too.
Whether we are in panic mode or not, one thing is for sure. Our front court is not a long term solution. Our back court is one of the best, if not best. I mean, how many teams have Davis, Richardson, Fisher and Pietrus all contributing at the same time? And, that really highlights our front court's inability. Murphy has been solid, and Foyle did whatever he can do with his ability. But, other than that, we have basically no contributions from anybody. And, it's not like our front court is getting a chump change to play. Combination of our starting front courts are 27 mils per year in average, good for one max player and another 10+ mils per year player. It would be extremely hard to fix cour front court though, due to their contract situation...
You know what started the Warriors' slide? All this talk about All-Star team selections and being one of the elite. its gotten into their heads and other good teams are more concerned with winning rather than the accolades. The Warriors have become seduced by the hype.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">You know what started the Warriors' slide? All this talk about All-Star team selections and being one of the elite. its gotten into their heads and other good teams are more concerned with winning rather than the accolades. The Warriors have become seduced by the hype.</div> If so then, wrong people are being drunken by those hypes, because Davis, Richardson and Murphy, who are wrothy of those hypes, are still producing. They need helps desperately...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">If so then, wrong people are being drunken by those hypes, because Davis, Richardson and Murphy, who are wrothy of those hypes, are still producing. They need helps desperately...</div> HELPS US!!!
