Warriors vs. Bobcats Dec. 2, 7:30pm FSN+

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  1. AnimeFANatic

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    I'm sure he had a lot of double digit rebounding nights... just the dude sucks at offense.
     
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    Ok someone explain this to me:

    Why are the Warriors in first when they have record that's identical to the Clippers' record in terms of percentage points, and the Clippers are ahead in the season series?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok someone explain this to me:

    Why are the Warriors in first when they have record that's identical to the Clippers' record in terms of percentage points, and the Clippers are ahead in the season series?</div>

    Because we are half game up, I guess.

    Lol. If PO starts today, we have 2nd seed...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Because we are half game up, I guess.

    Lol. If PO starts today, we have 2nd seed...</div>
    Thanks Kwan, that helps a lot...

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    ...no wait, it doesn't help at all. [​IMG]

    I dunno, maybe it's the new math.
     
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    ....scientists fear that the Clips in 1st place could usher in another ice age. That is only an untested theory but why take the chance?
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Wow great game! Shaky substitution pattern by Montgomery, but I think he was buying time with the foul situation. Not sure if Cabarkapa should have stayed in that long in that first half, but I guess it was because something's wrong with Taft? Cheaney had some nice moments with his shot when Jrich got into foul trouble. Fisher was awesome tonight, almost everything he caught went in. Jrich was being the studly all around player he is even when his shot wasn't falling, Baron Davis was dicing up the other team's defenses, and Murphy and Foyle were doing a good job on the glass. Biedrins and Diogu also had some nice hustle plays. I loved those dunks tonight!

    There were so many highlights.

    Dunleavy alley oop to Jrich (looked like he couldn't catch it) but he rose up and dunked it (his head almost was level with the rim!).

    Baron Davis pass to Biedrins for the flush.

    The ferocious slam by Adonal Foyle.

    Jrich post up, drive and dunk

    Diogu slam dunk

    And the best of all: Fisher running in transition with an alley oop pass to Baron Davis for the one handed dunk.

    I like how Diogu gets fired up. He's like Pietrus, Richardson and Baron and the rest of the guys.

    Also we know Dunleavy disappeared but I like the fact he was getting all fired up.
     
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    as far as the shaky sub pattern in the games I've seen Zarko hasn't done much at all. He doesn't look like he was in the workout gym at all this summer and his play has regressed. Time to plant him on the bench and give time to Diogu and hopefully Taft wherever he is.
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"><font face="Arial"><font size="2">Mike Montgomery</font></font>
    "We were really struggling. Thank goodness for Calbert (Cheaney). We ran of our basic sets and Calbert really understands it and made some buckets and dropped the ball off. That really helped us (because of foul trouble with the rest of the team)."

    "We were a half step tardy and that’s what happens when you’re either a little tired physically or just not quite there mentally."

    http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/recap_120205.html</div>
    I guess the substitutions made were a result of some guys getting the playsets down, but there were some problems. (If a guy is late getting to a spot, a guy is stuck holding the ball or throwing it away or telegraphing the pass). Also some guys simply are in a slump. We saw it with Cheaney a while ago and also with Dunleavy.

    Run BJM's complaining that it's Montgomery's fault he can't get these guys to execute, but it's really a team effort to study the plays, memorize them, and then practice them with the team. These guys hardly get time to practice with each other. Also, guys like Dunleavy aren't really blessed with many gifts to be creative in the way Baron Davis and Jason Richardson can be on the fly, but I think he's probably witness to some breakdowns in some play execution. Dunleavy is really more effective in an offense where he can hit cutters or open jump shooters moving off the ball. Almost everytime Dun drives, his defender beats him to the spot and gets the charge call on Dunleavy. So I doubt he gets better until the team play gets better. That's just my hunch.

    Also the few guys that do memorize the playsets probably can't knock down the shots or improvise when a play breaks down. I think our players are still learning. All of them really. The rookies probably understand it the least, but the rest of the starting 5 have learned some from last season with Montgomery. This whole system takes time, I mean look at Larry Brown and his Knicks. If he got stuck with our team it'd probably be the same result because the Warriors would be out trying to run plays, not doing them well, then ending up improvising with athleticism or settling for the 3-ball rather than for the open midrange shot or the easy score. Plays have to be run consistently so the execution is precise. It takes discipline and guys being together for a few years to get used to it. I mean a play in Monty's book isn't linear, it requires good decision making every step of the way and it needs to be done so the 24 second shot clock (minus the seconds where the ball is brought up) isn't wasted. Also, when the ball is moved around and touches different hands, it can't be obvious who the ball is going to so everyone needs to move and be where they are supposed to be. This is so the passer has a number of options to hit (rather than the telegraphed pass when one player happens to move when the rest aren't). I'm sure Fisher has looked really bad on a number of occasions when he tried to play this way. Also it's probably one reason he starts chucking because it's the only thing he knew how to do at the time. This season he has more dimensions to his game.

    The whole point of playsets is to get everyone involved on offense. More importantly if the whole team moves, the other team has to react and guess where the ball is going to. Chances are the other team's players might get hung up on screens, forced to switch or rotate, or they lose vision of the player or the ball. If we execute, there's a chance for an easy basket off a mismatch or an open man. We saw it with Sacramento and their high post, Priceton-like offense. It got them shooting 60% on us for a while. (Too bad their d sucks and the fact they got outrebounded by us or they would have won)
     

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