Warriors vs. Jazz @ Oakland, Feb. 27, 7:30PM FSN

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  1. openglfx

    openglfx JBB JustBBall Member

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    Let's just consider this season, like the other 10 or so seasons a bust. Throw in the white towel and hope for a miracle next season. We must've lost 10+ games due to the inability to shoot free throws beyond 70%. Even if there is no miracle trade this offseason, gee can they atlest work on FT shooting.

    I just don't think Monty has the fire in him to explode and lash out at the team. I mean, if you could atleast show some fire, it may help. He seems too mellow. Well I don't know guys, maybe I'm being overly critical on him or something. I'm just a very frustrated Warrior fan right now. I bet you if the Warriors got booed instead of cheers during that comeback, they might've won. Heh.
     
  2. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting openglfx:</div><div class="quote_post">Let's just consider this season, like the other 10 or so seasons a bust. Throw in the white towel and hope for a miracle next season. We must've lost 10+ games due to the inability to shoot free throws beyond 70%. Even if there is no miracle trade this offseason, gee can they atlest work on FT shooting.</div>
    Well the franchise can't quit, but maybe some fans should. This is a development/rebuilding season like any other until we develop or build something up. Besides poor free throw shooting, we can't even catch passes, make the extra passes, hit open jump shots, make layups, and we have no high% field goal scorers. Execution is just terrible, it's like these guys are just learning to play basketball.

    Nothing in the Warriors history has proven these guys will change unless the right opportunities come along where we can kick out the guys that don't do much for the team overall but hog up cap. We never get players in free agency or the draft with the whole package that can rate high in multiple categories, fit a team role, and play the defense. We're just a continued cycle of poverty hoping to get rich with some talent some day.

    But opengl, I feel your pain. It is hard to swallow right now.
     
  3. Warriorfansnc93

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    I cant hardly discribe my utter disappointment. You can ask just about anyone on this board; I was about as hard core of a fan there is of this time. Through the worst of times I stuck with this team and said the seemingly never ending phrase "next year". Heck I thought the Warriors would be similar to the Mavs have been this year and challenge not just for the 8th seed, but the Division up there with Pheonix. I am to a point to where I ask myself "why do I root/support for my home team when I will NEVER live there again"? I have pretty much resigned to settling down in OKC because my wife and her whole family are from there. If the Hornets stay in OKC (unlikely) then I think I will wind up rooting for them instead. Maybe GS will always have a special place in my heart, but I am not sure if my heart is in them like I used to. I dont know if it is me just growing up and realizing sports are not life. This was the year they could have done something special. If they had continued to play the defense they started with along with SOME of the offense they ended last year with, we could have been a lot different. So now I utter the phrase again "who will GS draft"?
     
  4. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    At least you guys didnt have to pay to see that, I just got back from the game. How dissapointing that the onnly bright side of the night was that they gave away free Warrior Girl posters (dissapointing because Warrior Girls suck).

    This loss can't be blamed on anyone I believe. Missed FTs as a team killed us. Monty actually coached very well tonight (except not putting Murphy in during OT, Dun played the last 30 mins or so and stunk up every minute of it). Fish can't really be blamed either since he did play 50 minutes and had 10 assists. Richardson is just a beast, his heart and toughness is pretty underrated. Diogu and Biedrins were awesome, props to Monty for leaving them in and benching Foyle and Murph.

    I can't stress enough how great Ike and Biedrins were. Thats an awesome pair right there. According to 82games.com they are our top 2 big men in total rebound % while they are on the court and they showed tonight that there weren't problems rebounding when they were in. Our team is alot more efficient with big men that can score around the rim and more importantly, score efficiently.

    Next year I need to get some games against the Hawks and Knicks, so far this year in games I've attended we're 0-3. 2 of those losses were tonight and the Clipper game where we lost after being up 19.
     
  5. AnimeFANatic

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    I bet Mullin is thinking he should have went for Artest when he had the chance.
     
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    yeah i havent had time to make the thread because i was busy at work... when i got home they were in OT and the announcers had a tone that said it all... i dont know how many times they blow leads due to their free-throw shooting. even fisher had a pretty off night from the line. once i saw dunleavy miss two in a row i knew they had no chance. spoiled a great effort by biedrins, ike, monta, and jrich, fish also had a nice stat line. if we dont have at least a 6-3 record the next 9 games we might as well tank the season. i dont want them to end like last year if were out of playoff contention and get everyones hopes up for next season again, and then come back next season with the same result, it would be so disappointing.
     
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    Only chance of going 6-3 is if Baron is back.
     
  8. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    I'm reading some comments from other boards suggesting the coach didn't call for intentional foul on the last play before overtime. I'm talking about Pietrus not fouling Harpring on the last 20 seconds. A whole team of coaches would have opted to foul I bet and I can't believe Montgomery, Mario Elie, Keith Smart would allow the Warriors to give up a 3 when they've been hitting 70% on 3's. Maybe Pietrus is still hung up on the last time he had to make a crucial play and he hesitated after being told to foul if the opportunity came up. [​IMG] Maybe since he was having to foul a 3-point shooter he froze up. I just think it's jumping to conclusions about what really went down.

    Maybe Run BJM was close enough to the bench to know.
     
  9. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">I bet Mullin is thinking he should have went for Artest when he had the chance.</div>
    It probably would have been a help to our sorry perimeter defense, but we really needed inside threats and inside presence. If only Biedrins/Ike didn't foul out... they were doing such a great job from the style that Murphy and Foyle play. Murphy is mainly a defensive rebounder that doesn't play defense. Foyle is an offensive rebounder that can't catch the ball cleanly (which hurts his rebounding game), but he does the dirty work.

    I see in Ike you got the dirty work, the capability to rebound the ball, to pass, catch, be tenacious, score on putbacks, and score inside. Biedrins, you got the same, but great lateral quickness, more length. It's too early to tell, but I think Ike n' Biedrins on paper is way better than Murphy n' Foyle. At least with Ike and Biedrins you got high% players that can do a variety of things tangible and intangible and they play like their position demands. The sooner we get players that can man-up on defense, we can abadon this crappy ass version of zone. I hate it, it gets too many guys out of position and too many people stand around or wait for help when its their job to stop their guy from getting deep position into the lane.

    It's also one reason why our defensive rebounding has been poor.
     
  10. jason bourne

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Fire Montgomery for what? For missing free throws?</div>

    I missed the game, but can only question Monty about his substitutions. Agreed that he didn't miss the FTs but should take about 25% of the blame.

    Monty = scapegoat.

    I rather see a WINNING coach in there next season. Maybe Doug Collins can turn it around?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting trg_tony:</div><div class="quote_post">yeah i havent had time to make the thread because i was busy at work... when i got home they were in OT and the announcers had a tone that said it all... i dont know how many times they blow leads due to their free-throw shooting. even fisher had a pretty off night from the line. once i saw dunleavy miss two in a row i knew they had no chance. spoiled a great effort by biedrins, ike, monta, and jrich, fish also had a nice stat line. if we dont have at least a 6-3 record the next 9 games we might as well tank the season. i dont want them to end like last year if were out of playoff contention and get everyones hopes up for next season again, and then come back next season with the same result, it would be so disappointing.</div>

    Yeah DEFINITELY frustrating. It's like this has happened before so the boys SHOULDA worked on their free throws already. WTF [​IMG].
     
  12. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting jason voorhees:</div><div class="quote_post">I missed the game, but can only question Monty about his substitutions. He didn't miss the FTs but should take about 25% of the blame.

    Monty = scapegoat.

    I rather see a WINNING coach in there next season. Maybe Doug Collins can turn it around?</div>
    I don't know, but I feel like any coach being brought in is going to be set up to fail like every other coach we've had in our revolving door of a franchise. Everything that has happened so far is on Mullin and his braintrust. Just when things were clearing up financially, he and his guys screw away the money. Now whichever coach we bring is not going to want to play guys like Mike Dunleavy or Foyle if they can't fit the group that's out there. And whether we have Muss or Monty, the 5 guys out there need to play honest defense and they need to execute together on offense. I hate how we have guys expect Foyle or somebody to bail them out on help D far from the paint. He's not designed for that. But I guess in order to prevent getting burned on the perimeter, the coaching staff feels we need to play a lot of team defense and halfcourt, but that messes up our positioning on both ends so bad because of the way this team moves together (execution). We move so slowly compared to the kiddie core.

    In this scheme we're not going to want to play fisher at point guard if he can't run the offense and we need more from the big players to score at close range. Any coach knows we can't win without an inside presence because where does the ball move? Around the arc and that's it. Our center can't even catch passes or catch rebounds or finish plays and the time we do get it inside, the layup is missed or the foul shots aren't converted.

    I guess nothing drastic has to be done yet, because its not like the talent was already there to begin with, but it's a lot harder when two mistakes were made in signing big deals to a backup center and a guy that isn't a real point guard. Then Mullin re-signs Dunleavy for big money and he's having a horrible season. He's not going through what Jrich and Murphy went through because those two guys were money before their big deals came up and plus those two only slumped for about a month or more until they broke out. Dunleavy is just plain bad and so is his replacement. I'm all for Pietrus being groomed into a lockdown defensive stopper and high energy scorer, but I don't know anymore. I think CohanHater and Philsmith had this guy pegged when I suggesting him starting was a good idea. Hey Dunleavy was that bad!
     
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    [quote name='custodianrules2']Well Foyle just sucks. [​IMG] Since the big contract, the weight gain, and knee injury he just has been diasppointing.

    Foyle put on too much muscle I think. If I was Monty, I'd be ragging on his sorry *ss constantly!!!

    Foyle needs to go after the ball more on glass. He has given up on getting the rebound. Ok, I'll give him his blocked shots. He lives for those.

    And I can't blame a man for having petrified rock hands, but catch at least 50% of the passes thrown to you and go for the baby hook (not dunk).
     
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    I hate my life.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And I can't blame a man for having petrified rock hands ...</div>

    Maybe we should all pitch in and get him some lotion from Sephora to soften them up... it does wonders for my girlfriend.
     
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    sigh

    i hate your life too...

    and mine as a warrior fan. i feel bad for all of us that are fans of this lousy ass, underachieving, lose by 20 and catch up but can't seal the deal, stick a fork in them they're done, undisciplined, unintelligent, non defending, live by the 3 die by the 3 mentallity, just plain depressing, but heart-having & gutsy, overpayed role-players (except for JR & BD).

    i feel the pain. i think if i were at the game last night i would have screamed out loud "aaaaarrrrrrggggghhhh!!" in agony. that was bad coaching not fouling with 1.4 seconds + ridiculously bad free throw shooting by the usual suspects. [​IMG]
     
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    i hate your life too...

    and mine as a warrior fan. i feel bad for all of us that are fans of this lousy ass, underachieving, lose by 20 and catch up but can't seal the deal, stick a fork in them they're done, undisciplined, unintelligent, non defending, live by the 3 die by the 3 mentallity, just plain depressing, but heart-having & gutsy, overpayed role-players (except for JR & BD).

    i feel the pain. i think if i were at the game last night i would have screamed out loud "aaaaarrrrrrggggghhhh!!" in agony. that was bad coaching not fouling with 1.4 seconds + ridiculously bad free throw shooting by the usual suspects. [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kensaku:</div><div class="quote_post">I hate my life.</div>

    i hate your life too...

    and mine as a warrior fan. i feel bad for all of us that are fans of this lousy ass, underachieving, lose by 20 and catch up but can't seal the deal, stick a fork in them they're done, undisciplined, unintelligent, non defending, live by the 3 die by the 3 mentallity, just plain depressing, but heart-having & gutsy, overpayed role-players (except for JR & BD).

    i feel the pain. i think if i were at the game last night i would have screamed out loud "aaaaarrrrrrggggghhhh!!" in agony. that was bad coaching not fouling with 1.4 seconds + ridiculously bad free throw shooting by the usual suspects. [​IMG]
     
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    Let's get a class action Law suit against Chris Cohan for neglegent leadership and get our money back for all the money we've spent on TV, Memorabilia, and Tickets. I'm sick of this idiot. I blame him for poor decision after poor decision. Cohan is the ONLY constant. The year before he bought the team, the Warriors had a chance to not only wiin the Pacific, but contend for the Title, and we haven't even MADE the playoffs since. What a joke. Recall Cohan, Recall York! Poor ownership is a plague.
     
  20. Run BJM

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm reading some comments from other boards suggesting the coach didn't call for intentional foul on the last play before overtime. I'm talking about Pietrus not fouling Harpring on the last 20 seconds. A whole team of coaches would have opted to foul I bet and I can't believe Montgomery, Mario Elie, Keith Smart would allow the Warriors to give up a 3 when they've been hitting 70% on 3's. Maybe Pietrus is still hung up on the last time he had to make a crucial play and he hesitated after being told to foul if the opportunity came up. [​IMG] Maybe since he was having to foul a 3-point shooter he froze up. I just think it's jumping to conclusions about what really went down.

    Maybe Run BJM was close enough to the bench to know.</div>
    I thought it was a good call by Monty. The Warriors are known for losing offensive rebounds off of free throw misses and the Jazz are a very good rebounding team. I believe Deron Williams had already fouled out and Okur was their only major 3 point threat, I'm not sure about Harpring's shooting but I don't think of him as a very good 3 point shooter. Bottom line is that I wouldnt have trusted any of our big men to get a rebound off of a FT miss.

    After the game Monty said that the plan was to defend the 3 point line and not foul, thats what Pietrus did and it was a gamble we lost.
     

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