Warriors vs. Jazz @ Oakland, Feb. 27, 7:30PM FSN

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  1. nfmos

    nfmos JBB JustBBall Member

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">I thought it was a good call by Monty. The Warriors are known for losing offensive rebounds off of free throw misses and the Jazz are a very good rebounding team. I believe Deron Williams had already fouled out and Okur was their only major 3 point threat, I'm not sure about Harpring's shooting but I don't think of him as a very good 3 point shooter. Bottom line is that I wouldnt have trusted any of our big men to get a rebound off of a FT miss.

    After the game Monty said that the plan was to defend the 3 point line and not foul, thats what Pietrus did and it was a gamble we lost.</div>

    Actually Harpring is their best 3 pt shooter this year, at 37.5% compared to Okur's 36.6.

    I think Jrich should have been subbed out for D purposes, and there should have been a foul.
     
  2. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting nfmos:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually Harpring is their best 3 pt shooter this year, at 37.5% compared to Okur's 36.6.

    I think Jrich should have been subbed out for D purposes, and there should have been a foul.</div>
    Yes, but Harpring is 9-24 on the season while Okur is 56-153. Harpring shoots a higher percent but he doesnt shoot nearly as many, probably because he isnt as good of a 3pt shooter.
     
  3. Legacy

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    Milt killed us. lol
     
  4. .cabangbang

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    This game was highly depressing for me. I have tears in my eyes right now, I kid you not. It was incredible that we came so close. We lost 5 times last night. We lost in the beginning of the first, second, and OT quarters. Everyone one of those we went scoreless for a while and they made 4-6 points and we fell apart and lost confidence. 3 losses racked up there. Next was falling 20 and missing free throws. This sounds unfair, but I blame Monty for this. Monty has obviously not been helping the team make free throws or keep energy during the end of games. The Warriors should spend an 45 minutes on free throw shooting to wrap up practice followed by the last 15 minutes running wind sprints. It would at least help them work on energy and free throws.

    The end of the game was the worst. J-Rich went on a tear and got hurt, kept on playing, and then we missed tons of free throws that just killed us. The game could have been finished with a foul on Harpring at the end and when they made it or missed, we could have used a twenty second time. Monty is a brain fart.
     
  5. jason bourne

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">I thought it was a good call by Monty. The Warriors are known for losing offensive rebounds off of free throw misses and the Jazz are a very good rebounding team. I believe Deron Williams had already fouled out and Okur was their only major 3 point threat, I'm not sure about Harpring's shooting but I don't think of him as a very good 3 point shooter. Bottom line is that I wouldnt have trusted any of our big men to get a rebound off of a FT miss.

    After the game Monty said that the plan was to defend the 3 point line and not foul, thats what Pietrus did and it was a gamble we lost.</div>

    Did Pietrus have another end of game brain fart?
     
  6. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    I'd have to agree with Run BJM and JV. It's all conjecture at this point what the account would have been if we fouled or didn't foul because you foul a 3 point shooter, he can still tie the game. I don't think there was anybody or anybody fast enough to grab the guy in front of the three point arc.

    Also, If everyone knew Matt Harping's M.O., he doesn't take many 3's because its not his range, and he happened to be clutch when it he had to take one. He was the X factor, so he deserves the blame. There was not anything the players could do to stop him because they were too little too late and Harpring made the shot that counted most. That's why Utah runs plays the way they do, and take more midrangers and drives to the basket than 3's, because it gives them a good % to convert attempts into points, even if players lack some talent to do it on their own. They were 7 of 10 from 3-point land and they were confident. They played %'s smart. That's why Utah is a team, we're not.

    It's that simple. It should have never came down to that anyway. Yet everything falls on Monty and his staff whether this time he supposedly blew it or not. Like the Monty-bashers would know how to coach and how to win with this team. I'm sure they would get these guys to play some great ball. [​IMG] I bet more than 3/4's of the haters haven't even coached or played ball at a high level to know what to do on the fly or play a game of organized team basketball. Anyone can let these guys run, but can they get them to play defense, or score when the other team is one step ahead? Can they get this team to shoot free throws and not jack up silly shots when the clock is still fresh? Absolutely ridiculous bashing and its not fair commentary. These are just opportunities to come in and push forth the wrong idealogy and agenda. All I ask is to judge and observe this team fairly and unbiased and to look at the long term plan to build a consecutive playoff worthy team rather than make one lousy 8th seed appearance with a crappy roster and then suck for the next decade again. I'd rather know what we have exactly and if it can control the tempo at both ends of the floor.

    I know angry fans want the best for this team, but it takes patience because the poor don't become rich over night. They have to earn their pay until they get the right opportunity to hit it big.
     
  7. AnimeFANatic

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    Lets just leave it at this:

    Warriors lost the game because they can't make free throws to save their life. As much as I don't like Monty, he had nothing to do with them missing their freethrows. Had Dunnuthing made at least one freethrow to make up for his god awful shooting (39.2% for the season), they'd have won. Same for everyone else. I was surprised Diogu missed both also, wtf was going on there.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd have to agree with Run BJM and JV. It's all conjecture at this point what the account would have been if we fouled or didn't foul because you foul a 3 point shooter, he can still tie the game. I don't think there was anybody or anybody fast enough to grab the guy in front of the three point arc.

    Also, If everyone knew Matt Harping's M.O., he doesn't take many 3's because its not his range, and he happened to be clutch when it he had to take one. He was the X factor, so he deserves the blame. There was not anything the players could do to stop him because they were too little too late and Harpring made the shot that counted most. That's why Utah runs plays the way they do, and take more midrangers and drives to the basket than 3's, because it gives them a good % to convert attempts into points, even if players lack some talent to do it on their own. They were 7 of 10 from 3-point land and they were confident. They played %'s smart. That's why Utah is a team, we're not.

    It's that simple. It should have never came down to that anyway. Yet everything falls on Monty and his staff whether this time he supposedly blew it or not. Like the Monty-bashers would know how to coach and how to win with this team. I'm sure they would get these guys to play some great ball. [​IMG] I bet more than 3/4's of the haters haven't even coached or played ball at a high level to know what to do on the fly or play a game of organized team basketball. Anyone can let these guys run, but can they get them to play defense, or score when the other team is one step ahead? Can they get this team to shoot free throws and not jack up silly shots when the clock is still fresh? Absolutely ridiculous bashing and its not fair commentary. These are just opportunities to come in and push forth the wrong idealogy and agenda. All I ask is to judge and observe this team fairly and unbiased and to look at the long term plan to build a consecutive playoff worthy team rather than make one lousy 8th seed appearance with a crappy roster and then suck for the next decade again. I'd rather know what we have exactly and if it can control the tempo at both ends of the floor.

    I know angry fans want the best for this team, but it takes patience because the poor don't become rich over night. They have to earn their pay until they get the right opportunity to hit it big.</div>


    It's KISS in telling your team not to foul.

    OTOH telling your team to intentional foul (less than 5 secs left) could lead to a 3-pt foul as you pointed out or a flagrant foul where the opponent gets FTs and the ball back. And when they shoot FTs, the shooter could intentionally miss the last one giving them a chance to get a rebound and putback. Avery Johnson, Jerry Sloan and lot of the other NBA coaches believe in not fouling. Same with Monty.

    Phil Jackson has the Lakers work on the intentional miss, rebound and putback play as they beat the Warriors that way a few years ago.

    Furthermore, someone pointed out Monty didn't have the defense set up correctly. Everyone should've been at the 3-pt line as that was the only shot the Jazz had. The Warriors should've have had that defense in their repertoire.
     

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