OT Was Robert E. Lee really all that evil?

I don't watch Fox News, nor cite their links here (rarely).

I did cite the source himself. Without a comedian or echo chamber filter that you live in on Twitter.

 

What's amazing is the strawmen you throw out there and can't even defeat those arguments.

 

The South had very little power in congress at that point. Newer states joining the Union sided (or were in) the North for the most part. A huge thing going on at the time was the building of the railroads. That meant massive economic benefit for the Northern states and it crushed the South's ability to get their cotton and tobacco (etc.) to markets.


Unless there were some massive change in how the Northern states were voting themselves benefits from the treasury (funds to build, land to build on), the South would likely have been even worse off today.

As it was, the era of reconstruction involved actual construction in the South.

Though to this day, it's stunning how poor a city like New Orleans is. I was there just prior to Katrina and it was blatantly obvious how poor the government was and the people for the most part. And to this day, there are a lot of people (even here) who suggest cutting them off (kicking them out of the union).

 

Well, I never said questioning a republican president in war time is treason. That's a figment of your imagination.

I can go on and rebut every bogus point like that you make, but you keep coming back with it.

Yes, let the people decide.

 

Are you trying to prove me right?

Good job

 

I've made my decision.

barfo

 

I did not accuse anyone of treason. It did embolden the enemy.

NBER and Harvard said so.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w13839

Is There an "Emboldenment" Effect? Evidence from the Insurgency in Iraq
Radha Iyengar, Jonathan Monten
NBER Working Paper No. 13839
Issued in March 2008
NBER Program(s): POL

Are insurgents affected by new information about the United States' sensitivity to costs? Using data on attacks and variation in access to international news across Iraqi provinces, we identify an "emboldenment" effect by comparing the rate of insurgent attacks in areas with higher and lower access to information about U.S news after public statements critical of the war. We find that in periods after a spike in war-critical statements, insurgent attacks increases by 7-10 percent, but that this effect dissipates within a month. Additionally, we find that insurgents shift attacks from Iraqi civilian to U.S. military targets following new information about the United States' sensitivity to costs, resulting in more U.S. fatalities but fewer deaths overall. These results suggest that there is a small but measurable cost to open public debate in the form of higher attacks in the short-term, and that Iraqi insurgent organizations - even those motivated by religious or ideological goals - are strategic actors that respond rationally to the expected probability of US withdrawal. However, the implied costs of open, public debate must be weighed against the potential gains. We conclude that to the extent insurgent groups respond rationally to the incentives set by the policies of pro-government forces, effective counterinsurgency should prioritize manipulating costs and inducements, rather than focus simply on search and destroy missions.

 

As for Fonda, she was literally a traitor. She literally went to North Vietnam and made propaganda messages against the United States and the military.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/11/blame-jane-falsehoods/

It is true that Fonda, an actress and activist, traveled to Hanoi, North Vietnam, in 1972 to protest U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

She delivered several messages on the communist country’s Radio Hanoi encouraging American soldiers not to bomb the North Vietnamese. She also reportedly called freed American prisoners of war returning to the U.S. "hypocrites and liars" for claiming they had been tortured by their captors. And she was infamously photographed posing warmly with a group of North Vietnamese soldiers at an anti-aircraft gun site during her visit there. Her actions earned her the moniker "Hanoi Jane" from war veterans of that era who still harbor bad feelings toward her to this day.

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Michael Benge letter excerpt, 1999: At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.). We were Jane Fonda’s "war criminals." When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient."

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel rebar placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped. Jane Fonda had the audacity to say that the POWs were lying about our torture and treatment.

Now ABC is allowing Barbara Walters to honor Jane Fonda in her Feature "100 Years of Great Women." Shame, shame on Jane Fonda! Shame, shame on Barbara Walters! Shame, shame on 20-20. Shame, shame on ABC. And, shame, shame on the Disney Company.

 

I think we should tear down all the Jane Fonda statues.

barfo