OT Was Robert E. Lee really all that evil?

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  1. Denny Crane

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    I didn't see the benefit of protesting the wars. If you wanted to end them, root for QUICK victory, because we're there no matter what. That's what I posted.

    I've proven that there's a benefit for the enemy, and I've proven Fonda a traitor.

    Whatever you're trying to do is pretty lame.
     
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    It isn't, but I understand that your laugh lines have an expiration date in your mind before you move on to the next. In a few years, you'll claim you never said Trump had the potential to be a great President, that the Supreme Court doesn't rule on the constitutionality of laws, that local governments removing statues is exactly the same as the Taliban, etc. We must enjoy your crazy in the moment--when you move on, you move on hard.
     
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    Nope. He does have the potential. I'd like to see it.

    You were schooled about the Court already, and the rest I have no problem standing behind.
     
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    I believe the current lingo is "move on like a bitch".

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    I was told that the Supreme Court isn't interested in the constitutionality of laws that come before them. The only "school" that that belongs in is Trump University. You do know that you don't have to become Trump to support him, right?
     
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    This is only correct in the smallest technical way. Slavery was the way of the world at the time, but the Revolutionary war had nothing to do with slavery as you can see in the declaration of Independence. The founders did not establish slavery, at all. Indeed most of them struggled to deal with it as it was a fact of life. They founded a new nation with principals superior to what had been done before. That they did not correct the ills of slavery at the same time as founding a new nation, is a ridiculous complaint commonly heard today. It took the world many more years to reduce the practice after the British outlawed the slave trade when Jefferson was President. Jefferson signed on to this treaty, making the United States the first country to join the British in stopping the slave trade.

    As ships from the British Isles began their two year deployment at sea in this era, their first station of duty was in the central Atlantic Slave trade sea lanes. This was on the tradewind routes to the Caribbean so it was a natural fit in their duty cycle. Here they attempted to intercept any slave ships and return the Slaves to Africa. Liberia was the country they returned any slaves freed. Liberia was a new country set up by the United States, the Capital of Monrovia is named after US President James Monroe. Liberia was the place to return the slaves as it was reasoned that the rest of Africa was selling the people into the slave trade and it would be most cruel and inefficient to return the slave to the land that sold them in the first place.

    I have an old journal from this era, the owner served as the Sailing Master on a British frigate assigned to this duty. Very little is still readable but I did make out "returning to Liberia" and other fragments. Not absolutely sure he was a "Sailing Master either as what ever word Sailing is, is unclear. So I speculate. Darn hard to make out the words in and old sea book, written by a man that spoke English, but Gaelic at home and the spelling of those words is all over the place, as there is no written language for that tongue.
     
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    And Roberts and the others proved you wrong on multiple occasions. You don't learn, so maybe school is wasted on you.
     
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    They wrote the constitution with slavery in it.
     
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    Very observant Denny. Slavery existed and they dealt with it. The did not create it.
     
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    They created the country with legal slavery. They could have made everyone Free. It's one of the most regrettable compromises in the history of government.
     
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    Oh this is true. But then, Jesus might have tried to end the practice, Mohammad should have.
    Every country in the world could have. But none did.

    I am impress it is corrected in the Constitution. It is nice that it is correctable by amendment.
     
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    At the time the United states constitution was written, Slavery was legal though out the world.
    Britain passed the Abolition of the Slave trade in 1807.
    The US follows in 1808.
    Other European Nations follow and the snow ball to end Slavery begins.
    Brazil abolishes Slavery in 1888.
    The UN makes it final in 1948.
     
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    The key figure on CNN doesn't even know Charlottesville isn't in Europe.



    We really should take Twitter as the gospel.

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    Dude: you literally cited a guy on Twitter to demonstrate the point you wanted to make.
     
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    "This holocaust was very regrettable."
     
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    Bear in mind Denny also thinks that he, Denny, has the potential to be a great standup comedian.
     
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