OT Was Robert E. Lee really all that evil?

1807 is not 1794....France did it first....then it snowballed...Napoleon reinstated it for 2 years only...1802-1804....still abolished 3 years again before Britain did it or the US...I'm not just talking about the Navy....I'm talking about the laws of the land

 

We know that France had outlawed Slavery in France, but they did nothing to curtail the slave trade.
When Jefferson was ambassador to France he took his slave Sally to France with him. In France, she was a free woman, and free not to return with Jefferson to the US. She did not exercise this freedom, she did return to the US with Jefferson.

 

Wonderful! Vermont outlawed in 1777. Big fucking deal. No slaves in Vermont, no slaves in France.

 

to slaves it was a big fucking deal....why that angers you is perplexing

 

oxymoron....outlawing slavery has nothing to do with curtailing slavery? ...ok Marz......

 

Let's have statues of him holding up a sign that says: "I was a colossal dick - try not to be like me."

 

He wasn't "evil". His wife inhierted slaves, so he owned some through his wife. He did speak ill of slavery but was no abolishionist. Thomas Jefferson, whose wealth was almost totally in slaves he owned, also spoke ill of it but wouldn't set them free till he died.

There seems to be this weird modern obsession with seeing everything through the lens of slavery.

 

First of all, what the fuck are you talking about?
Second, it's instructive to see the moral blindspots of people in the past. If we're not morons, maybe it'll inspire us to look for the blindspots that people in the future will see in us. Unless you deny that slavery WAS evil, which would make you a moral relativist, a view that has various incredibly stupid implications that I will postpone pointing out because nobody cares.

 

Hey Denny - I thought you weren't ON Twitter

 

I'm beginning to feel a little guilty about my immediate reaction when I see Rasta post.
It is similar to what happens when I see Al Sharpton puke some hate.

 

Ha! Al Sharpton was the voice of reason on CNN or MSNBC the other night.

 

Rasta.....rapists should get the death penalty

Someone else.......maybe some but not in every case, like an 18 year old boy and a 17 year old girl

Rasta... THAT'S SOMETHING ONLY A RAPIST WOULD SAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The blow hard Rasta is from the same Island has 78% of my DNA. Shit, that fucks up any superiority credibility.

 

Secession = Treason.

 

How can you not understand what I'm talking about? That's what this post is about. Likewise some say the US was an evil nation when it was founded because slavery was legal, and that the founding fathers that owned slaves should not be venerated. That's seeing everything through the lens of slavery. Just as some people are one issue voters. I get the feeling YOU are probably one of those dimwits.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/

Yeah Lee was not a great guy. He owned slaves and led a war to maintain that institution. If that's not enough for you, he was not a kind, benevolent slave owner either. Not only did he own slaves, he sought to separate families and beat them mercilessly.