Bogus! We are quietly doing Philly's lame "process"

I already addressed that. PHX didn't even know they were getting Allen when they agreed to the deal in principle. All we had to do was match salary, which could have been handled in nearly any move.

Nobody is suggesting we should have made no trades.

 

please point out the links saying the Suns wouldn't have made the trade without Allen

 

Disagree. Proof is in the putting and we're a LONG way away from being close to as good as a balanced team with Dame and a good Coach.

 

We had to assure them we had a second strong asset

 

With a shitty coach and a disaster of a roster. Nobody is suggesting that should have continued.

 

where did you read that?

 

the internet.

 

If Enron was one of a thousand stocks you own then it doesn't matter as your other gains in the market dwarf that 0.1% loss. If you don't diversify then your an idiot that increases investment risk with zero gain in expected return.

I just don't see the point in zeroing in on one stock or one player and evaluating what actually happens years or decades later as a metric to evaluate the prior decision. That very distant result has nothing to do with the first process to make good buying or selling decisions at that time.

Yes buying and selling stocks, or trading NBA players involves a bunch of uncertainties and projections.

Now criticizing or evaluate the process to make the best decisions at the time of the decision, yes we can do that. What finally happens years or a decade later has so much variance, changes from subsequent good/bad decisions, and luck.

Over the coarse of hundreds or thousands of stock trades or NBA player transactions that luck evens out.

But for one single example the items that have variance such as the actual value ultimately gained from picks/swaps/etc become nearly independent events from the first decision to execute a trade.

 

Not true, they were told it was a starting level player with x and y metrics that they would like, and they suspected they would agree, assuming it was Allen or one other possible player.

It's not like we could've just dumped any salary in that spot and guaranteed they'd still do the trade.

 

Point the link that says they would.

 

my point is that the only way to truly gauge any decision is by hindsight

and by the way...Blazers did NOT get a haul for Dame...

 

extra salary was needed, yes

 

Well enjoy waiting then. I guess that'll be after the picks have hit their prime so in what 2040? Now if the Blazers trade one of the 2029 picks or a swap for a later pick that may not be until 2050+.

Then we can finally accurately give Cronin a final grade for the Dame trade. Jody will be 102, Cronin will be 13 years into his pension, and AI will probably control us but we'll finally be able to all know what happened.

 

Financially how do you make the trade without Allen?

 

yeah, I noted that

edit:

Nurkic + Little + Keon = 16.875M + 6.25M + 2.8M = 25.933M

25.933M X 1.25 = 32.416M

32.416M +250K = 32.67M

Ayton's salary is 32.46M.

Looks like the trade works...what am I doing wrong?

 

ok...reading the article it implied the Suns would have settled for Oladipo as the mystery guard and salary filler. They had already known the offer was Nurkic, Little, and Johnson. When they found out it was Allen they were much happier than if they would have received Oladipo...who didn't play this season by the way.

everything I've read indicates that Ayton really wanted out of Phoenix; and Phoenix really wanted to rid themselves of Ayton, and his salary. They were very "intrigued" by paying a starting C half the price of Ayton

so it would seem pretty honest to set the Nurkic + Little + Keon for Ayton swap separate from the Dame trade. And by the way:

Nurkic 16.875M
Little 6.25M
Keon 2.8M

25.93M...........25.93 X 1.25 = 32.41M + 250K = 32.67M --> Ayton 32.46M; so, at a glance it looks like that trade did not require any more salary
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to compromise with the 'it was a haul' crowd, I'd accept that Allen may have added the leverage necessary to get Camara. But I think the Nurkic for Ayton swap would have happened with or without the Dame trade

 

Don’t come back. You can’t enjoy the fruits of losing if you’re going to bitch about it.

 

Please point out the links saying that would’ve.