We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

Well sure but Raptors fans want Sharpe and #3 for Siakam. I'd hope there is no way we consider #3 in a KAT trade. Now if its #23 or a future protected pick, then fine.

 

Im not super high on him either. But i wonder if it just takes a change of scenery?
He would be second or third option here. Not fourth like in phoe.
I could see him thriving here with that lineup.

 

suck a rotten egg!!!
Oh. Wait…

 

Change of scenery can't fix someone's head/heart.

Look at Simmons... I rest my case.

 

It certainly can if the head and heart are not with the current team. But i will admit, I dont know much about him. But i trust in Dame.

 

Here are my trades if we keep the pick and draft Scoot:





Roster

PG Scoot
SG Sharpe
SF Giddey
PF Chet
C Simmons/Claxton

I know people don't want Simmons, but he only has a couple years left on his deal, while Nurk still has 3 years. If we can get Claxton and a pick to take on Simmons, I think it would be worth it. Maybe Simmons can turn things around. Maybe not.

Maybe my price is too steep for the Thunder, but I'd like to see how much we could get out of them.

If we keep Dame:

Simons/#3 and other future picks for Bridges.

Nas/Nurk/some 2nds for Draymond.

Dame
Sharpe
Bridges
Grant
Green

That's our best chance at winning with Dame.

 

What's your Boston trade?

 

You like the idea of KAT?

 

Citing one example -- particularly one where mental health issues might be at least partially to blame -- isn't exactly solid evidence to rest your case on. Our head coach needed a change of scenery to flourish. Others like Joe Johnson, Chris Webber, Sheed, you could probably put Jermaine O'Neal in that category as well.

I'm not advocating FOR Ayton, for the record, but it's silly to think that you've cracked the case on underperforming talent *because Ben Simmons*.

 

Ball cannot even guard one position.

 

I'm actually leaning away from Boston at this point. I like Brown, but he's due A LOT of money and I'm honestly not sure if he's worth it. Rather go young. I also don't think Boston would give us much outside of Brown. Maybe a pick.

 

We are in the dregs of summer. Officially.

 

I couldn't come up with anything to counter. Good one.

 

You are correct, of course I am not in that camp and didn't think you were referring to me. However, if someone thinks Dame being gone for the betterment of the franchise, if they make good points, I can totally see where they are coming from and not thing they are a hater. I've spoken to many a MONSTER Dame fan, who things that era may have run it's course. There summary is something like this.

I love Dame, but where are we going with him? It's been over a decade and we are no closer to a title now than when he came. In fact, we are probably further away. Do we give away massive assets to try and suddenly create a window that has never been there in the first place, or do we receive massive assets to build around Ant, Sharpe and the #3 pick and move forward? If they are adamant about the later, I've never got the impression they were a "hater". That gets thrown around a lot if someone wants to trade Dame for what they believe are good reasons, or someone points how how poor historically Dame has been defensively. That sounds a lot more like reality than hate.

Someone at the Draft party said Dame was their favorite player, but only the 3rd greatest Blazer because for them, they felt they had to completely ignore defense and post-season success for Dame to be considered the GOAT over someone like Walton who won a title, was an MVP, a Finals MVP, one of the best passing big men in history, and a DPoY type player. They referred to Dame and an "accumulator" like a player in baseball that hangs around for 20 years and gets 3000 hits, but was never really that great or in the case of someone like Harold Baines, was a DH for much of his career so played no defense. '

They were telling me this while wearing a Dame jersey. Tough to argue where they were coming from in terms of team success.

 

Huge, huge, huge risk with Ayton. His ego wants to be Embiid. First option. His talent is almost there. His work ethic is awful people say. He is addicted to video games to such an extent that he does not get proper sleep/rest. Says all the right things, does none of them. The local talkers down here say the Suns aren't looking for a star, they want the depth players they lost in the Durant trade and a center. Nurk is half the price and a good passer and a team guy so he could be a fit down here. They don't need a race horse. Not advocating for Ayton though. He wouldn't work with ball dominant Dame.

 

But if you are trading #3 for vet help to go for it, it would only make sense you trade Sharpe for the same reason. Why trade one prospect for vet help, which won't be enough, and not trade the other for a full out go for it? That is my greatest fear. Portland will trade all young assets not ready right now to contribute to a championship for guys that have marginal value towards winning one. And after it doesn't work, you will have less than nothing in 3 years.

Get Scoot or Miller to add to Sharpe and build with youth and athletes. Get rid of all that don't fit the team game. They don't have to rebuild, but they do need to retool. Even if the retooling with youth doesn't win it all, it will be a much better game of basketball to watch.

 

I think it's unfair to call him an accumulator. I think Dame is at the forefront of the shift towards three point shooting with Curry. That interview with Paul George basically said that only two guys in the entire league could take that shot. Dame is truly special and our shitty ownership and front office have wasted that.

Dame has also had some serious barriers in his way from the very beginning.

• Bad front office - Olshey was a total bust and wasted his time.
• Bad coaching - Stotts was mediocre, and this has been further solidified by the fact that he hasn't gotten another job.
• Bad teammates - CJ to me is the accumulator

I also think it's extremely difficult to win a ring when your best player is a short scoring guard. The Warriors are the exception, not the rule. They built that team around Curry in a way that Neil never did. Curry also plays just as well off the ball as he does on it, which Dame never really has.

The only real accolade that he's missing is a ring, and that's so extremely hard to get.