We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Strenuus, May 16, 2023.

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What are you hoping for with this pick?

  1. Draft Scoot and keep him

    27.6%
  2. Draft Miller and keep him

    28.6%
  3. Draft someone else at 3 and keep him (please specify)

    3.1%
  4. Trade down, but still draft in the lottery

    10.2%
  5. Trade the pick for a starting forward

    30.6%
  1. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't have to be a team we believe makes sense to acquire Dame, any more than it made sense for the Wolves to acquire Gobert, Mavs to acquire Irving, Rockets acquire Westbrook, Nets acquire Simmons, Lakers acquire Westbrook, etc. All that matters is a single team giving up assets for Dame.

    We also don't know what rosters will look like in July or what owners decide to go all in now. What happens at the draft, free agency, and trades will drastically alter many teams position.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Harden to Brooklyn is a good example of a Dame trade. Kyrie isn't as he has all sorts of issues.

    I didn't say NY would give every pick asset unprotected for certain, I was just listing their draft equity to people who claim they don't have assets for a Dame trade, they have more than enough draft equity.

    Brooklyn has good draft equity too.

    Often the ultimate trade partner is an unexpected team we haven't identified.

    I'm not really sure the point of some posters discounting what Dame could get in a trade. It's odd because it's many of the same posters claiming the Blazers shouldn't consider trading Dame, and that they should trade away the #3 pick for veterans that won't help the Blazers contend because of Dame's statements.

    If Dame's trade value is shit then don't trade him until a better offer comes. Pretty simple. I can't imagine Cronin is going to ship out Dame, a move that will be linked to him forever, for one highly protected pick or an overpaid player or whatever shit return some posters are implying Dame is only worth.
     
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    ok now...that's more reasonable in my view, but there has been a lot of chatter here about "godfather packages" for Dame. And that pushes the trade Dame narrative pretty hard.

    my assumption about a Dame trades starts with a very simple premise....after all this time if Cronin suddenly starts shopping Dame teams will know, absolutely, that Dame has demanded a trade. And the offers will be low. Cronin won't have any leverage, at all. Negotiating 101. There won't be any godfather offers coming in that situation

    my next assumption is there will be pretty limited market for Dame because of his age and his contract...and of course other teams won't be valuing his franchise loyalty like Portland has. My guess is only 3-5 teams would have any interest, at most. I don't believe the Knicks will because of Brunson and the repeated failures of small back courts. Brooklyn might, but they won't be offering a lot of those far future picks, and the ones they do offer may have protections added; and I think they'd probably try hard to attach Simmons

    Philly we've talked about. They don't have anywhere close to sufficient assets

    Boston? I guess maybe. But if it was for Brown, I'm convinced Brown would walk away as UFA. And Boston's first's will be pretty late first's for a long time

    Phoenix would like to replace CP3, but they just shipped out all their Dame-type assets for Durant....and they are in the West and I'd be close to certain the Blazers won't be shipping Dame within conference
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    I don't buy this, how would any trades ever be done for fair value then? This is basic GM negotiating 101, and shouldn't be hard for Cronin if he is competent.

    If your assumption above is true it implies Dame will never be tradable for fair value, again I don't agree with that.
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    Exactly! Very well said. No teams that would want Dame have any ability to give back a quality "Haul" befit of Dame's abilities, and status. Picks with "No Protections" have all but been dealt away for these teams.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    If you look at any one team sure there are reasons they shouldn't acquire Dame, you might ultimately be very right for some of these examples.

    But there are likely other possibilities none of us have considered, and also new situations that may arrive depending on the draft free agency and trades. Only 1 team ultimately is needed for a trade.

    Sacramento owner is impatient, maybe he thinks their now a piece away.

    Dames hometown of Golden State has all their future picks, with Klay diminished maybe they see Dame as a replacement for Splash 2.0?

    Maybe Toronto tries to make a run?

    Blazers have plenty of time too for a Dame trade returning maximum value. What they don't have time on is picking in the draft, other teams trade offers, resigning Grant, etc. Even if they ultimately decide to explore trading Dame I highly doubt they do it until mid July if not much later.
     
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    Utah and BKN do. Supposedly those were 2 of the 5ish teams on Dame's list if he were to be traded.

    Not advocating for it at all, but I think -- in this constant pissing match we call a message board, some UNDERvalue Dame's value across the league. If Dame wants out, there will be enough teams with significant enough interest that Cronin will have at least some leverage. This place has been a cesspool of extremes lately. None of this is black and white, folks. It's okay to acknowledge how much nuance and variability in all of this there is...
     
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    lol...you don't 'buy' what has been proven over and over....that being that once a star demands to be traded his current team loses leverage?
     
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    Man you guys talk a lot.
     
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    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    "You guys talk for a living!"
     
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    It all comes down to how good Philly thinks Scoot is. They may decide it’s better to rebuild around Scoot/Sharpe rather than hang onto Embiid with worse teammates now that Harden is gone. They may think Scoot is their next Iverson.
     
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    It must be all the extra estrogen coursing through their bodies... :lol:

    (Sorry Wiz - I had to call you out here, based on your recent post in a different thread...) :)
     
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    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    That's a hell of a gamble right after the dude won the MVP and carried your team.

    Embiid is not coming here.
     
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    It was a joke. Portland needs much more talent. Better starters and bench. They aren't a player away from contending unless that player is an MVP caliber player like Giannis and thats not happening. Brown doesn't get them there, neither does Siakam.

    I liked the joke better

    STOMP
     
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    I've always been really bad figuring out which posts around here are accidently jokes vs purposefully jokes. My bad!
     
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    Do you believe Dame has a list of teams he wants to be traded to? He doesn't seem like a one foot in, one foot out, type of guy.

    I'd guess that list came from someone, not named Dame, and it's pure speculation.
     
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    Just went fishing with Dame and he’s not going any where. Wants to run for Mayor after his career in PDX is over.
     
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    Confirmation said fishing trip happened...

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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Like, for real real, or "Dame drinks like a fish" real?
     
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    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

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    I'm OK with drafting and keeping Miller.
    I'm OK with drafting and keeping Scoot.
    I'm OK with trading #3+Simons for Brown.

    I'm not sure how I feel about the other scenarios, though.
     
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