We have too many bigs

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  1. Scalma

    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    Why is this even being argued?
     
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  2. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I have no idea. The idea that this is somehow a bad thing to have, in mid-September, baffles me.

    BNM
     
  3. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Actually, I think he argued that because we only had two healthy bigs left (Vonleh/Meyers), the players that were available had to play out of position. The lack of quality was as a direct result of the lack of quantity (and because Meyers sucked).
     
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    He is horribly overrated as a shooter as well.
     
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    I think our depth at guard can be fixed if we keep both Goodwin and Briscoe.
    As far as big men, I think ideally we keep Nurk, EdDavis and Zach Collins at Center and at PF we play Swanigan, Meyers and Vonleh who could also play C in case of injury. Aminu is our small ball 4. It is a bit crowded though with not enough minutes to go around
     
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    Since it's a small ball game now, it shows how Olshey has failed in at least one way in building this roster.
     
  7. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Yep. Olshey is a crappy copycat. Why can't he make our team exactly like every other team?!
     
  8. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Yeah, he really fucked up trading the smaller Plumlee for the much bigger Nurkic. Stupid Olshey!!!

    BNM
     
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    I would rather give untested rookies like Swanigan and Collins a shot in the playoffs over Hark at 4 and Noah at 5 and with near zero to sub for those two (Hark/Noah).

    I hope it doesn't have to come to that. I also hope those guys win big minutes with stellar play.
     
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    Besides being a worse mid range shooter, Aminu is not a better rebounder or ballhandler than Vonleh. ;)
     
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    It's really not a small ball game now, that narrative is shit. Look at how many top, traditional, centers there are in the NBA. The only reason this narrative exists is because the two top teams lack a post presence.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    And even GSW, the Masters of "small ball" start two 7-footers and have a 7-foot tall back up center.

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    I think a better way to describe today's NBA would be Swiss Army knife. Tweener wings are no longer looked at negatively but rather someone that can add versatility and value to a team.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    It's becoming a postionless game where teams design their offenses to take advantage of the skills of their best players, regardless of position. Kerr has perfected this in Golden State, and LeBron has always defied traditional position definitions.

    Mark Jackson tried to force Steph Curry to be a traditional point guard responsible for running the teams' offense. Kerr wisely realized this was both wearing Curry down and also not maximizing his effectiveness as a catch and shoot offensive juggernaught. Curry was a good player under Jackson, but he did not become MVP level great until Kerr unleashed him from the traditional PG role.

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    I know this to the core of every one of my fibres!
     
  17. Rastapopoulos

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    Remember when we couldn't have too many big men so instead of letting Brian Grant walk and freeing up time for Jermaine O'Neal we traded for Shawn Kemp, Jermaine O'Neal never developed and the Blazers entered a tailspin?
     
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    The championship Bulls played 4 guys who were about 6'7" each.

    Jordan, Pippen, Harper, and Rodman.

    I wouldn't say tweener wings and position-less lineups are something new.

    Position may matter when it comes down to who the player guards. Pippen played PG on offense and SF on defense. Jordan played in the post like a PF, but guarded SGs. Rodman hung out a lot at the 3pt line so he wouldn't clog the lane for Pippen/Jordan, though he knew how and when to crash the offensive boards (he was brilliant at it). Rodman guarded big centers sometimes while Longley guarded PFs (e.g. Karl Malone). Kukoc literally played all 5 positions. Harper listed as PG, though he never brought the ball up or initiated the offense. But he did guard PGs, though sometimes it was Pippen guarding them, or Jordan (e.g. in the case of Magic, or Gary Payton).



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    Ugh, really wish we still had a Point Forward so Dame could play more as a catch/shoot scoring guard. Also, Nic made Rolo a viable offensive option - imagine what he could do with Nurk!
     
  20. BlazerCaravan

    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    I'm telling you guys... Point. Center. :ghoti:

    As infuriating as he could be, a prime Nic Batum would be the missing piece for this group.
     
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