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Except i remember a number of people posting that the Blazers had "plenty of talent" but it was other issues that were holding them back. Talent matters.

Certainly talent matters - but it wasn't our only problem. Consider our very talented center who managed to put up glowing stats while somehow doing almost nada to help the team win. Consider Baze who was a useful player before and after his time in Portland, but blew chunks while he was here. How about Simons, who our GM claims is an incandescent talent while playing like a steaming pile.

Yes you need talent, but you also need the pieces to fit together.
 
No way, one-way or two-way, there still is this issue of what to do when Dame gets trapped in the Playoffs. CJ has proven he is not the answer, and Nurk the same. That leaves:

RoCo - never seen playmaking out of him
Melo - decent passer at times but not a playmaker
DJJ - uh, no
Collins - no
Trent - no
Kanter - no
......the most apt might be Giles, the 3rd string center. It looks like he has the decision making ability and vision to be an option, but how much will he be on the floor? His inability to shoot limits his effectiveness and in so many of his passing highlights, his team is down double-digits and you wonder how much the defensive intensity or lack thereof plays into a guy cutting WIDE OPEN to the basket.

RoCo/DJJ have been compared to Aminu/Harkless defensively, but from a playmaking standpoint, I don't see much difference. And 'playoff' Aminu actually had some playoff series where he shot really well....and that still didn't make a difference.

I live the changes, and I hope they have the impact we all hope they do. Just still don't see the answer for what has caused the Blazers so much of an issue for years.
 
Dame needs to improve lob passing for Jones, if there is one area who Dame is really bad it's lob passing. Nurk is our best lob passer right now
 
Dame needs to improve lob passing for Jones, if there is one area who Dame is really bad it's lob passing. Nurk is our best lob passer right now

it takes two-to-tango in terms of lob passes. Its not just the passer; a team needs some high-flyers with good hands. That wasn't Aldridge and Batum; or Robin Lopez. It wasn't Aminu or Harkless either; or Evan Turner. Blazers haven't had enough targets to conclude Dame is bad at lob passing. He made some lobs to Whiteside last year. And in his first couple of seasons he found TRob for some lobs.

A team also needs an offensive scheme that utilizes back door cuts and off ball screens. That's not the Stotts offense; at least it hasn't been in the first 8 seasons of Stotts

it could be that if lob passes have to be a major component of offense for Jones, he's a bad fit
 
He's our only backup PG - and Olshey has anointed him as such.

Only if you're a very sloppy reader.

The condescension is annoying considering your total intellectual dishonesty here. You failed to note that within that statement he mentioned that both Dame and C.J. accounted for 97% percent of ballhandling responsibility last year. So intellectually dishonest of you to consider that the implied continuation of 3% means "part of the rotation".
 
Never mind, you're actually right... in fact why don't we sit our seven best players to start the game, that should really confuse our opponents and give our best guys some rest so they can finish strong. In fact we should just have all of worst players start and pledge to give the other team the ball to let them score the first twenty points of the game... now that would show the other team that we mean business and make sure we've both give them a different look and they won't know what hit them (besides the copious scouting reports our opponents have) when we start trying. Yeah, you're right, sit Dame and the rest of the ten rotation level NBA players for a while and let the other guys play. It makes all the sense in the world now.

Wow you seem to really take personal offense?

The strategy isn't to confuse an opponent, its to maximize effective units on the court.

The idea would be pair your best player with weakest (7 8 9 men), with early substitutions. This group can outperform pure bench units. If you have good enough 2nd through 6th men starting they can stay even or slightly outperform opponents. It would increase each groups advantage over other teams.

Your best player still plays big minutes and finishes games.

The idea is that Dames strengths have more value with the shitty teammates then the best. The 2nd to 6th best teammates can perform good on their own but the 7th to 9th men have a greater need for Dames skills.

The main reason we never see this strategy is superstars egos. It would be cool some season if we do see a star that doesn't give a fuck about ego and does it.
 
@WesleyMatthews .....I'm guessing that those "egos" are a good part of what makes the players who and what they are.
 
Wow you seem to really take personal offense?

The strategy isn't to confuse an opponent, its to maximize effective units on the court.

The idea would be pair your best player with weakest (7 8 9 men), with early substitutions. This group can outperform pure bench units. If you have good enough 2nd through 6th men starting they can stay even or slightly outperform opponents. It would increase each groups advantage over other teams.

Your best player still plays big minutes and finishes games.

The idea is that Dames strengths have more value with the shitty teammates then the best. The 2nd to 6th best teammates can perform good on their own but the 7th to 9th men have a greater need for Dames skills.

The main reason we never see this strategy is superstars egos. It would be cool some season if we do see a star that doesn't give a fuck about ego and does it.
Oh I'm not offended, just trying to point out that I thought the idea was preposterous and the reason why no one does it has nothing to do with egos. I was trying to be fairly obvious that I was overreacting to the fact that I disagreed with the idea, it was as someone else pointed out kinda snarky and I apologize for that. I actually think that we should always get our best players to play together for the most amount of time possible, ideally players that are our most talented five and who compliment each others games.

I agree that when you play your other rotation players, those players need to play staggered minutes with some of your starters. I had said in a previous post that it was weird that a lot of people in here would talk about a second unit. That being said, I am a traditionalist in the sense that I feel strongly that you start the game with your absolute best lineup. I know that in the NBA everyone makes runs but imposing your will on your opponent early on can have a serious effect on the rest of the game and the other team's belief that they can beat you even if that isn't fully conscious to the entire opposing team. You can break another team's will early on and I would never give up that opportunity by playing anything but my best lineup.

The Ginobili reference isn't effective in making your argument. Ginobili did not sit on the bench to play with and take bench players' games to another level because the Spurs normal rotation at that time was to bring Ginobili in after two minutes to play with the starters. I think that was about a show of confidence, I think it was about Pop fucking with opponents and above all I think it was about setting Ginobili apart to get him recognition. I don't think sitting Dame for the first two minutes would kill our game, I just don't see the advantage in any way. It's also important to understand that as good as Ginobili was he was never close to as good as Dame so those two minutes weren't as big of a sacrifice to those Spurs' teams initial momentum and did have a better chance to create mismatches because teams' entire game plans weren't geared toward Ginobili the way they are toward Dame.

The only logical thing I see is that you are giving the team more minutes without the terrible combination that Dame and CJ are in the back court but Dame is not the guy out of those two that should play with the guys at the bottom of our rotation. If you made that choice, you bring CJ off the bench.

Also the idea that another team would allow us to dictate who they play against Dame, who is well inside the top ten players in the league, is really funny. If Dame didn't start, the other team would still make sure they played their most stifling defense possible when Dame was on the court, Dame just wouldn't have our best guys around him to help him get through that defense. I just find your idea so incredibly flawed, not to the point of being offended but to the point of finding it ridiculous... honestly, no offense meant.
 
Again. Taking "95%" of minutes literal is kind of tough. There are 48 available. Lillard played 37.5 of those minutes last season. 10 mins left is just under 20%. 1M played 20 mins a game last season. When he is on the court with CJ what does he play? SG or PG? What exactly defines a PG? Is he always the player that brings the ball up the court? How many minutes does Lillard play that he is not considered the Point Guard?

Honestly this conversation has run it's course. Lillard, CJ, 1M, maybe even Trent will all pick up the role at times. Even the All-Star game doesn't define PG or SG. Doesn't define SF or PF or even Center for that matter.

Simons will play when he is playing well and matched up well. He shouldn't see the court if he isn't. It's that simple. I expect that he will have improved and will continue to improve this season.
 
The main reason we never see this strategy is superstars egos. It would be cool some season if we do see a star that doesn't give a fuck about ego and does it.
I would say the main reason we never see this strategy is that when your best players start the game, it gives them the ability to be on the court for the most minutes possible while maximizing the appoint of rest they can get between on-court stints.
 
There’s nothing to bitch about this off-season, it’s easily the best one we have had since the early 2000s. I’m excited to have the depth to hopefully ease some of the regular season min on Dame. We are also in good shape for a consolidation trade if the right one presents itself.
 
As Katie Nolan used to say when she was on Fox..."but why tho?" Why in the fuck wouldn't we start with Lillard. Manu was not the best player on his team, the idea that he ever was is a misnomer. Manu only played the last two seasons of his career without Tim Duncan and while Duncan didn't retire in his prime, the last four years of Manu's career were far from prime as well. No one ever talked about Duncan coming off the bench because it would have been asinine. Dame is the best player on this team and it's by a fucking mile, so no, we don't sit him to begin games, get real. If anyone should sit it should be CJ. We should see how we can get along on offense playing Gary instead of CJ and if we can do it we should trade CJ's no defense playing, ball stalling... very well mannered and even better spoken ass.

Dame is a special human; he’d revel in entering the game at minute 7. And if he were to do so, Melo could be persuaded to come into the game with him. No damage to anyone’s ego!

And we’d kick some serious ass because other teams would have no answer for what’s about to hit them. Then simply let Dame play the rest of the game - shoot, it would cut his minutes to below 40 and extend his career too boot
 
There’s nothing to bitch about this off-season, it’s easily the best one we have had since the early 2000s. I’m excited to have the depth to hopefully ease some of the regular season min on Dame. We are also in good shape for a consolidation trade if the right one presents itself.

When you're a soccer Mom there's always something to bitch about, justified or not.
 
Again. Taking "95%" of minutes literal is kind of tough. There are 48 available. Lillard played 37.5 of those minutes last season. 10 mins left is just under 20%. 1M played 20 mins a game last season. When he is on the court with CJ what does he play? SG or PG? What exactly defines a PG? Is he always the player that brings the ball up the court? How many minutes does Lillard play that he is not considered the Point Guard?

Honestly this conversation has run it's course. Lillard, CJ, 1M, maybe even Trent will all pick up the role at times. Even the All-Star game doesn't define PG or SG. Doesn't define SF or PF or even Center for that matter.

Simons will play when he is playing well and matched up well. He shouldn't see the court if he isn't. It's that simple. I expect that he will have improved and will continue to improve this season.
I mean, they've staggered almost constantly every season before last. There's not enough minutes for better players if Simons plays backup PG.
 
Dame is a special human; he’d revel in entering the game at minute 7. And if he were to do so, Melo could be persuaded to come into the game with him. No damage to anyone’s ego!

And we’d kick some serious ass because other teams would have no answer for what’s about to hit them. Then simply let Dame play the rest of the game - shoot, it would cut his minutes to below 40 and extend his career too boot
I honestly cant tell if you're trolling or serious.
 
When you're a soccer Mom there's always something to bitch about, justified or not.

Sorry, but I am calling BS on this.

People aren't bitching about the Kanter and Roco signings. They are questioning the signing of a guy who is constantly hurt and a guy who appears to be a terrible match for Stotts' offense. How can you argue those questions are unjustified?
 
I mean, they've staggered almost constantly every season before last. There's not enough minutes for better players if Simons plays backup PG.
Personally i felt Simons was going to be too green last year but i feel he actually improved in things maybe that don't come out on a stat line.
I just am not willing to give up on him yet. I think he can continue to improve and make an impact. But then i stuck with Meyers longer than most so maybe i'm the one who is delusional here?
 
Personally i felt Simons was going to be too green last year but i feel he actually improved in things maybe that don't come out on a stat line.
I just am not willing to give up on him yet. I think he can continue to improve and make an impact. But then i stuck with Meyers longer than most so maybe i'm the one who is delusional here?
What's funny about it is last year he wasn't ready but we had to play him due to a lack of depth.
This year he may be ready, but we shouldn't play him because we have so much depth.

He's the 12th best player on the roster, 13th if you think Nas is better. His time will come, it just shouldn't be this year unless he becomes a top 10 player on this roster.
 
As long as we don't have too many no-way players, I'm OK with it.
 
What's funny about it is last year he wasn't ready but we had to play him due to a lack of depth.
This year he may be ready, but we shouldn't play him because we have so much depth.

He's the 12th best player on the roster, 13th if you think Nas is better. His time will come, it just shouldn't be this year unless he becomes a top 10 player on this roster.

We already have Collins out. Who knows if Hood is effective, Simons could possibly outplay him. Other guys will miss games, or someone could be in a slump, or a bad matchup.

I wouldn't put Simons in my 9 man rotation on opening night... but he could easily play significant minutes if he now has the ability to make useful contributions.
 
What's funny about it is last year he wasn't ready but we had to play him due to a lack of depth.
This year he may be ready, but we shouldn't play him because we have so much depth.

He's the 12th best player on the roster, 13th if you think Nas is better. His time will come, it just shouldn't be this year unless he becomes a top 10 player on this roster.
I'm thinking he'll get his chance. Might not be a lot of time but he will see the floor. If he has improved and shows flashes maybe Stotts will need to use him? I know we are talking "Robo Stotts" but i can dream right?
Simons is gonna have to earn his time or make the most of minutes due to injuries? Maybe rightfully so? I want them to play to win every night and play like the Championship is within reach this year. That may mean Simons sits a bit?
 
We already have Collins out. Who knows if Hood is effective, Simons could possibly outplay him. Other guys will miss games, or someone could be in a slump, or a bad matchup.

I wouldn't put Simons in my 9 man rotation on opening night... but he could easily play significant minutes if he now has the ability to make useful contributions.
You said that better than i did.
And of course i read it after posting what i posted....
 
I'm thinking he'll get his chance. Might not be a lot of time but he will see the floor. If he has improved and shows flashes maybe Stotts will need to use him? I know we are talking "Robo Stotts" but i can dream right?
Simons is gonna have to earn his time or make the most of minutes due to injuries? Maybe rightfully so? I want them to play to win every night and play like the Championship is within reach this year. That may mean Simons sits a bit?
He'll definitely get a chance, I just dont expect it to be regular. And yes, win-now > develop players at this point.
 
He'll definitely get a chance, I just dont expect it to be regular. And yes, win-now > develop players at this point.

Yep, like always there will be some injuries and missed games so there will be opportunities for him. He just needs to step up to the plate and earn his minutes. I think people forget how young he is still.
 

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