Iraq is a product of 9/11, everyone can say it isn't but it is. Saddam was not responsible for 9/11, but the actions of 9/11 allowed the US to invade Iraq. 9/11 doesn't happen and neither does the Iraq war, despite what the media has been saying that Bush planned Iraq before his election, the simple fact remains he could have launched the war without full approval from congress, which he pretty much got. also, without the "collition of the willing" he wouldn't have been able to launch an attack. more countries would have joined the invasion but the four most prominant protesters, China, Russia, Germany and France all have large Muslim populations and those countries didnt want to rile that group up. its not that they think Saddam is some innocent man that the US is picking on, because its quite the opposite, they dont want their Muslim populations to riot. We all witnessed in the fall of 05 what can happen when the Muslims get upset, they damn near burned down Paris because two criminals were killed running from the cops. if these European mainland countries participates moreso, they would face civil war. Actually most these countries, except China, hope the US succeeds in Iraq because it would limit immigration to their own countries.Iraq is very winnable, just the changing of the war strategy every 3 months needs to stop. thats what happened in Vietnam and thats why the US lost Vietnam. These bleeding hearts need to face the fact that the war is there and bad sh*t happens in war. sometimes US soldiers are going to have to go a bit above what is considered right to do. What they are calling torture is not torture. torture is inflicting intense pain to someone, Christian Agulara may suck the donkey dick at the donkey show with her music but it is not torture. War is not pleasant, and its never been this gentalmenly escipade like it is sometimes portrayed. Its also hard for a solider to follow the "rules" when the enemy doesn't follow the "rules".The Media is also to blame, sometimes they do not have the right to show certain things. there are things which should be hiden under the guise of national security. The Media did more damage in Iraq with their photos of Abu Grahb than any insurgent. yet we never hear them blamed, when they should be taking a huge blame for their complete and utter misconduct during the wars. they have misreported numerous times on events all in order to get ratings. I've seen many of the shows on TV about the Iraq war, and they all do it even the more conservitive ones. I have many friends who have been to Iraq, and being interested in both History and Politics I have pestered them about many things of the war. the one thing many of them say is they are shocked by how the Media is portraying this war. The Media has said we have all but lost, that thousands of men and women are dying and the terrorist are wiping the floor with the US. but according to these people who have been there, that is not at all the case. Insurgents are a problem, but they are mostly attacking in areas which it is impossible for the US to secure, such as Mosque because the US pretty much has a backroom deal with the Iraqi government that US soldiers will not enter a Mosque. also, attacks are happening in border areas because Syrians can run back to Syria and the US cannot go after them. Car bombs are going to happen in Iraq no matter, the only exception is the impliment the same oppression used by Saddam Hussain. there is years of ethnic tensions in the area and it isn't going to end over night. but there is a lot of good news, more and more groups are getting tired of the violence and are trying to end it.
I see what you mean KB24 but you said that like an idiot. No, we dont need another 9/11 but I see what you tried to say but you said it like an complete idiot which now is leading to everyone flipping out on you.
There is NO and I repeat NO WAY we are able to win this war. We are essentially FUBAR in this. Where is the basis for this war? There is none at all. There are terrorists in Pakistan as well, but guess what we don't want to attack to hamper our relations with Musharraf. We could've handled this alot better, but no, we decide to guy fight in an unneeded war. There were no WMD's (the main dam cause we went into Iraq). Saddam Hussein wasn't the main cause of the 9/11 attacks, which was were our "War on Terror" started. It seems it has begun to be the "War on the entire middle east" as the situation in Iran hasn't eased up much at all. I can agree that an occasional bomb will happen, no argument there. But there is definitely an increased amount of bombs ever since the U.S. has gone into its occupation. Not really. The UN wanted them to have more weapon checks into their WMD's. But again the U.S. goes to hastily in this and starts a war that has essentially put us into this quagmire.There was no justification to go so fast into this, the UN did not want this, but America decided. That shows how much power the UN has- noneThere are not only the American soldiers that are getting killed, but people tend to forget the large amount of innocent Iraqi civilians getting killed for no apparent reason. There is no way in hell that no amount of car bombs would cause as much death and destruction as a war. You are clearly overstating a fact. Sure it was a riot, but not so much as to literally destroy the city. Riots happen all the time in other countries. I really doubt a war would've been stopped because of such a thing like that. America has a (growing) Muslim population. They don't want to send in as much troops as us, because they don't want to get involved with such a useless war.America is known for the amount of wars it has done. sh*t there were even hints at a question to the UN to have the right to bomb Bosnia (never happened). This war is has caused so much more trouble, than it has fixed.
This war is very winable, congress and the President just have to let the troops do their jobs. also, the president must force the Iraqis to start doing their part, once they do things will really begin to change.Who are the ones protesting the war? the same damned people who cry about human rights. There are terrorist everywhere, but there are certain terrorist which must be placed in a higher priority than others. Terrorist in Pakistan, Sudan, Indonesia ect are really no threat to the United States at this point as they are locked in struggles within their own country. The US needs Pakistans aid right now because the Taliban hides in Pakistan, something the US has known for a very long time. they hide there because its remote and the Pakistanis dont have control of that area because they are too busy fighting with India. Everyone thought Saddam had WMD, and for good reason because at one point he did have them. however, most likely he didn't have them in 2003. but to assume he did makes sense. Saddam was a threat and needed to be removed, but I agree a full out invasion wasn't what should have happened. but we're there now and we must finish the job. Iran has been a pain in the ass of the US for decades, its just recently that they have gotten a very inteligent and somewhat mad leader who knows how to push the buttons of both the US and the US media.in Iraq yes there is more carbombs, but thats because if you luanched one under Saddam he'd kill not only your family, but their friends, their friends friends, their animals and some random guy named Akmed.The UN is absolutly worthless. they cant even deal with some uprisings in Africa let alone a madman like Hussian. the UN is all talk that is it, and when they do go in they F*ck sh*t up beyond all beleif. the idea is a great one but it just doesn't work.This is no real change for Iraqis though, innocent people died for no real reason under Saddam. They set over 10,000 fires, and practically shut the city down, and lets not forget what they did in Denmark over some f*cking cartoons.America is known for the ammount of wars its down? so the 15 real conflicts with foriegn nations are known around the world? most of which the US was forced into by other nations either attacking the US(Barbar I, Barbar II, Mexican WWI, WII, Afghanistan), or was a civil matter(American Revolution and American Civil War). Not including the indian and Utah wars the US has fought only 3 true wars of Agression(Spanish, Phillpine, Iraq) the other 4 wars(1812,Korean, Vietnam,Gulf) were for other reasons. so its not like the US is this big expansionist nation constantly picking on some little country. and when the US is involved in such missions(Somalia, Serbia) they tend to be with the United Nations.I dont think we can accurantly say what the historical reprocusions of this war are yet, its too soon. only 3,600 Americans have died there. during the Civil War that would be considered a light skermish in a single battle. this isn't as bloody of war as everyone is saying it is, its bloody yes but all wars are bloody. but this is going to take time, but this constant bickering with the idiots on Capitol Hill is going to cost many more lives.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JC10 @ Jul 24 2007, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I see what you mean KB24 but you said that like an idiot. No, we dont need another 9/11 but I see what you tried to say but you said it like an complete idiot which now is leading to everyone flipping out on you.</div>I know. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ Jul 24 2007, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I knew this would happen.... this is why I should just keep my opinions to myself about the war....What I am trying to say, just to make myself clear, and I HOPE you guys can stop jumping to a conclusion on this....So many people are against the war right now, but if another terrorist attack happened, they would realize that we need to be in the war. I am not in any way hoping another attack does occur, I am just saying that is what would happen. And if we do pull out, then our chances of being attacked increase dramatically, and if we do get attacked after we pull out, people will be screaming why did we pull the troops out, send them back!That is the point I am trying to get across. I really messed up on my choice of words and topic title because it was just an opinion I had when I saw all the protestors today on TV. I do not in anyway want us to get attacked again, I am just trying to get my point across that we need to be over there killing those bastards. Next time, I will try not to sound like I am an ignorant s.o.b. Re-reading my topic, I would assume the same to someonelse who wrote this, my fault. But the point above is the one I was trying to make.</div>I already admitted that my choice of words were not inteded for the purpose people thought it was. It was an issue I wanted to hurry up and post and mislead some people and before you know it, the topic was flooded with people flaming me. But it was my fault as I should have slowed down, and read what I was actually typing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>This war is very winable</div>the only way you're going to win this war is annihilating almost each and every Iraqi, which would clearly be an awful strategy. Despite the tense of thousands we've killed, we have more enemies now than when we started the war, even in Iraq. Insurgency is a tricky thing because it is an individual decision that people will continually make as long as we are in Iraq. We aren't fighting an organized army, nor are we fighting an organized group, and therefore we cannot "win".
Hey KB24 dont go messaging me saying sh*t like read my posts before you respond... I think you'll find I read your post but now you've edited your first post to make the people who disagreed with you straight away look like idiots... so dont go messaging me with that sh*t
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (x.Scrappy.x @ Jul 25 2007, 05:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey KB24 dont go messaging me saying sh*t like read my posts before you respond... I think you'll find I read your post but now you've edited your first post to make the people who disagreed with you straight away look like idiots... so dont go messaging me with that sh*t</div>Then stop making ignorant comments, and stop calling people idiots that have come to realize my main intention on this topic.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ Jul 25 2007, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Then stop making ignorant comments, and stop calling people idiots that have come to realize my main intention on this topic.</div>Your intention may have been different, but if you don't put the right words together, then how do you expect people to realize your intention?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 25 2007, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your intention may have been different, but if you don't put the right words together, then how do you expect people to realize your intention?</div>I already did in this thread, twice. Look above...
yeah he has done it. he apologized about doing it. It's a question, he accidentally phrased it wrong, he found his fault then apologized. No need for going at him like this. He edited his post so there wouldn't be any more of the comments on that, so dont get all f*cking heated up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (l?ckdown @ Jul 25 2007, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah he has done it. he apologized about doing it. It's a question, he accidentally phrased it wrong, he found his fault then apologized. No need for going at him like this. He edited his post so there wouldn't be any more of the comments on that, so dont get all f*cking heated up.</div>Thank you for understanding. :winkglasses:
I changed my mind. I do think we need another 9/11, to get rid of idiots like KB24 and including KB24.
I wasnt calling them idiots... cos I'm involved in those people... but I understand that you have told people what you actually meant... so if you actually read my post then you could see I said... "think before you say something" which you obviously didnt...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 25 2007, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I changed my mind. I do think we need another 9/11, to get rid of idiots like KB24 and including KB24.</div>..... read my f*cking posts dipshit..and don't worry xScrappy I hear you now what your saying before, we cool.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ Jul 26 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>..... read my f*cking posts dipshit..</div>I did read them, dipshit. I decided that we do need another 9/11 to kill you and/or your family, to teach you why no one else wants a 9/11, you goddamn hypocrite.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 26 2007, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I did read them, dipshit. I decided that we do need another 9/11 to kill you and/or your family, to teach you why no one else wants a 9/11, you goddamn hypocrite.</div>I clarified myself, saying that I did not mean I want another 9/11, but you should read my clarification post to understand that. Now regarding your post, I don't think that a member should ever hope for another member to die, rather there joking or not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 26 2007, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I did read them, dipshit. I decided that we do need another 9/11 to kill you and/or your family, to teach you why no one else wants a 9/11, you goddamn hypocrite.</div>thats no better
