<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Would Seattle do Gordon for Collison?</div> I'm sure they would think about it. If Chicago does try and trade Gordon I hope to God the Blazers make a strong push for him (while somehow getting him without giving up the big 3 or Fernandez). Maybe Frye, Webster, Jack etc </div> As a bulls fan, I would much rather have collison than guys who make too much, play positions we already have filled with better guys, or who cost more than they're worth. </div> Frye is like Lamarcus Aldridge lite, and I meant to include the pick too. </div> Gordon & Hughes for Roy and filler. Take Hinrich if you want him over Hughes. </div> haha nice try. I just don't see Portland trading Roy unfortunately </div> I already said it's tough to find a win-win with Portland. The trade I suggested gives Portland a big 4 instead of big 3. Gordon scores about the same as Roy did last season, Hinrich gets as many assists and gives you 3pt shooting and defense. It's not as bad a deal as it seems at first glance. </div> Not denying Hinrich or Gordons talent, just saying Roy is the face of the franchise and everyone in Portland is in love with him. I just don't see Pritchard trading him anytime soon. The pick, Jack and Outlaw or Webster seem to be the more available guys
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 20 2008, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>None of their big has developed well. Robert Swift isn't the same developing prospect he was a couple of years ago. Saer Sene is just to raw and will never do much, Johan Petro is a nice looking prospect, but he's more of a energy, Someone who comes off the bench block shots, does alot of dirty work. Chris Wilcox should be traded this summer. The player Durant will benefit fromt he most is Lopez, cause of the attention he'll command in the post, it'll let someone like Durant do alot more int he perimeter.</div> Petro is 21, Sene is 22, Swift is 22, and Gelabale is 24. Wilcox is 25 and Collinson is 27. Marshall is the only old player of the group, and he won't be in their future plans. Petro, Sene, Swift, and Gelabale were drafted as raw, long term projects. Just because they haven't produced much in their first couple of seasons in the league doesn't mean anything. They weren't supposed to. Obviously the Sonics saw something special in these players (especially the four they took in the lottery) or else they would've chosen someone else. Swift has been hampered with injuries. Will he ever live up to his potential? Who knows. But again, he's only 22, and has tons of time to improve. Sene is raw and will never "do" much? Who are you to say that? As you would say, "LOL." Who are you to say such a thing? This season was only Sene's SECOND season in the league, and he was drafted as a long term project. Petro played only his third season in the league as well, and he was drafted as a project. Sometimes players take longer to develop. Just because they haven't shown much in their first couple of seasons in the league, doesn't automatically make them bums. Young players take time to develop. And if you're going to give up on them just because they don't start putting up huge numbers at this stage of their careers, then that explains why you are not the general manager. You don't draft players who play the same position year after year in the lottery. You're acting like this is the Celtics, Pistons, Lakers, or Spurs. When in reality, this is a team that only won 20 games last season. They have tons of weaknesses, and as a rebuilding team, you do not draft the same position year after year after year. You don't draft for "depth." It's time to go a different direction. LOL You are also putting out Lopez to be some super can't miss talent, which he is not. LMFAO
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 20 2008, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Cause he was being shopped during the trade deadline</div> They're called rumors for a reason. Why would Seattle trade their most productive big man?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 20 2008, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 20 2008, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Cause he was being shopped during the trade deadline</div> They're called rumors for a reason. Why would Seattle trade their most productive big man? </div> Because he says so, and everything he says is right. LOL
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Would Seattle do Gordon for Collison?</div> I'm sure they would think about it. If Chicago does try and trade Gordon I hope to God the Blazers make a strong push for him (while somehow getting him without giving up the big 3 or Fernandez). Maybe Frye, Webster, Jack etc </div> As a bulls fan, I would much rather have collison than guys who make too much, play positions we already have filled with better guys, or who cost more than they're worth. </div> Frye is like Lamarcus Aldridge lite, and I meant to include the pick too. </div> Gordon & Hughes for Roy and filler. Take Hinrich if you want him over Hughes. </div> haha nice try. I just don't see Portland trading Roy unfortunately </div> I already said it's tough to find a win-win with Portland. The trade I suggested gives Portland a big 4 instead of big 3. Gordon scores about the same as Roy did last season, Hinrich gets as many assists and gives you 3pt shooting and defense. It's not as bad a deal as it seems at first glance. </div> Not denying Hinrich or Gordons talent, just saying Roy is the face of the franchise and everyone in Portland is in love with him. I just don't see Pritchard trading him anytime soon. The pick, Jack and Outlaw or Webster seem to be the more available guys </div> Until the Bulls traded Wallace for Gooden and Hughes, I'd say the trade you suggest is exactly the kind of trade Paxson likes to make. I have little doubt he wants to get rid of Gordon or Deng due to team profits being hurt by signing them both, and it's pretty clear Pax favors Deng to a huge degree - refused to trade him for Gasol last year. I just don't see him taking on someone else's end of the bench type players in return. We have enough of those kinds of guys already.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ May 20 2008, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 20 2008, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>None of their big has developed well. Robert Swift isn't the same developing prospect he was a couple of years ago. Saer Sene is just to raw and will never do much, Johan Petro is a nice looking prospect, but he's more of a energy, Someone who comes off the bench block shots, does alot of dirty work. Chris Wilcox should be traded this summer. The player Durant will benefit fromt he most is Lopez, cause of the attention he'll command in the post, it'll let someone like Durant do alot more int he perimeter.</div> Petro is 21, Sene is 22, Swift is 22, and Gelabale is 24. Wilcox is 25 and Collinson is 27. Marshall is the only old player of the group, and he won't be in their future plans. Petro, Sene, Swift, and Gelabale were drafted as raw, long term projects. Just because they haven't produced much in their first couple of seasons in the league doesn't mean anything. They weren't supposed to. Obviously the Sonics saw something special in these players (especially the four they took in the lottery) or else they would've chosen someone else. Swift has been hampered with injuries. Will he ever live up to his potential? Who knows. But again, he's only 22, and has tons of time to improve. Sene is raw and will never "do" much? Who are you to say that? As you would say, "LOL." Who are you to say such a thing? This season was only Sene's SECOND season in the league, and he was drafted as a long term project. Petro played only his third season in the league as well, and he was drafted as a project. Sometimes players take longer to develop. Just because they haven't shown much in their first couple of seasons in the league, doesn't automatically make them bums. Young players take time to develop. And if you're going to give up on them just because they don't start putting up huge numbers at this stage of their careers, then that explains why you are not the general manager. You don't draft players who play the same position year after year in the lottery. You're acting like this is the Celtics, Pistons, Lakers, or Spurs. When in reality, this is a team that only won 20 games last season. They have tons of weaknesses, and as a rebuilding team, you do not draft the same position year after year after year. It's time to go a different direction. You are also putting out Lopez to be some super can't miss talent, which he is not. </div> You said the same thing about Petro, Sene, Swift... potential. Potiental shouldn't stop you from drafting a NBA ready big who will fit your team nicely. Hawks were in a similar situation last year, Hawks had Solomon Jones, Zaza pachulia, and Josh Smith at the 4/5 spit all of them were below 23 so because they had young players, they should have passed on Horford, even though he was NBA ready. You don't pass on a player that you know will produce, just cause you have a project laying there. They have just as good a shot of being disappointment than actually panning out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 20 2008, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 20 2008, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Cause he was being shopped during the trade deadline</div> They're called rumors for a reason. Why would Seattle trade their most productive big man? </div> cause they're rebuilding and he has trade value.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Would Seattle do Gordon for Collison?</div> I'm sure they would think about it. If Chicago does try and trade Gordon I hope to God the Blazers make a strong push for him (while somehow getting him without giving up the big 3 or Fernandez). Maybe Frye, Webster, Jack etc </div> As a bulls fan, I would much rather have collison than guys who make too much, play positions we already have filled with better guys, or who cost more than they're worth. </div> Frye is like Lamarcus Aldridge lite, and I meant to include the pick too. </div> Gordon & Hughes for Roy and filler. Take Hinrich if you want him over Hughes. </div> haha nice try. I just don't see Portland trading Roy unfortunately </div> I already said it's tough to find a win-win with Portland. The trade I suggested gives Portland a big 4 instead of big 3. Gordon scores about the same as Roy did last season, Hinrich gets as many assists and gives you 3pt shooting and defense. It's not as bad a deal as it seems at first glance. </div> Not denying Hinrich or Gordons talent, just saying Roy is the face of the franchise and everyone in Portland is in love with him. I just don't see Pritchard trading him anytime soon. The pick, Jack and Outlaw or Webster seem to be the more available guys </div> Until the Bulls traded Wallace for Gooden and Hughes, I'd say the trade you suggest is exactly the kind of trade Paxson likes to make. I have little doubt he wants to get rid of Gordon or Deng due to team profits being hurt by signing them both, and it's pretty clear Pax favors Deng to a huge degree - refused to trade him for Gasol last year. I just don't see him taking on someone else's end of the bench type players in return. We have enough of those kinds of guys already. </div> Jack and Outlaw are not end of the bench type players. They both were 6th men of the year vote getters
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 20 2008, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ May 20 2008, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 20 2008, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>None of their big has developed well. Robert Swift isn't the same developing prospect he was a couple of years ago. Saer Sene is just to raw and will never do much, Johan Petro is a nice looking prospect, but he's more of a energy, Someone who comes off the bench block shots, does alot of dirty work. Chris Wilcox should be traded this summer. The player Durant will benefit fromt he most is Lopez, cause of the attention he'll command in the post, it'll let someone like Durant do alot more int he perimeter.</div> Petro is 21, Sene is 22, Swift is 22, and Gelabale is 24. Wilcox is 25 and Collinson is 27. Marshall is the only old player of the group, and he won't be in their future plans. Petro, Sene, Swift, and Gelabale were drafted as raw, long term projects. Just because they haven't produced much in their first couple of seasons in the league doesn't mean anything. They weren't supposed to. Obviously the Sonics saw something special in these players (especially the four they took in the lottery) or else they would've chosen someone else. Swift has been hampered with injuries. Will he ever live up to his potential? Who knows. But again, he's only 22, and has tons of time to improve. Sene is raw and will never "do" much? Who are you to say that? As you would say, "LOL." Who are you to say such a thing? This season was only Sene's SECOND season in the league, and he was drafted as a long term project. Petro played only his third season in the league as well, and he was drafted as a project. Sometimes players take longer to develop. Just because they haven't shown much in their first couple of seasons in the league, doesn't automatically make them bums. Young players take time to develop. And if you're going to give up on them just because they don't start putting up huge numbers at this stage of their careers, then that explains why you are not the general manager. You don't draft players who play the same position year after year in the lottery. You're acting like this is the Celtics, Pistons, Lakers, or Spurs. When in reality, this is a team that only won 20 games last season. They have tons of weaknesses, and as a rebuilding team, you do not draft the same position year after year after year. It's time to go a different direction. You are also putting out Lopez to be some super can't miss talent, which he is not. </div> You said the same thing about Petro, Sene, Swift... potential. Potiental shouldn't stop you from drafting a NBA ready big who will fit your team nicely. Hawks were in a similar situation last year, Hawks had Solomon Jones, Zaza pachulia, and Josh Smith at the 4/5 spit all of them were below 23 so because they had young players, they should have passed on Horford, even though he was NBA ready. You don't pass on a player that you know will produce, just cause you have a project laying there. They have just as good a shot of being disappointment than actually panning out. </div> !!!!!! Horford was a guy they shouldn't have passed on and thank god they didn't. The only other guy they could have considered was Conley. Horford was a much better prospect than Lopez. And Smith is a natural 3 playing out of position because you guys have a million swingmen.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 20 2008, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ May 20 2008, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 20 2008, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>None of their big has developed well. Robert Swift isn't the same developing prospect he was a couple of years ago. Saer Sene is just to raw and will never do much, Johan Petro is a nice looking prospect, but he's more of a energy, Someone who comes off the bench block shots, does alot of dirty work. Chris Wilcox should be traded this summer. The player Durant will benefit fromt he most is Lopez, cause of the attention he'll command in the post, it'll let someone like Durant do alot more int he perimeter.</div> Petro is 21, Sene is 22, Swift is 22, and Gelabale is 24. Wilcox is 25 and Collinson is 27. Marshall is the only old player of the group, and he won't be in their future plans. Petro, Sene, Swift, and Gelabale were drafted as raw, long term projects. Just because they haven't produced much in their first couple of seasons in the league doesn't mean anything. They weren't supposed to. Obviously the Sonics saw something special in these players (especially the four they took in the lottery) or else they would've chosen someone else. Swift has been hampered with injuries. Will he ever live up to his potential? Who knows. But again, he's only 22, and has tons of time to improve. Sene is raw and will never "do" much? Who are you to say that? As you would say, "LOL." Who are you to say such a thing? This season was only Sene's SECOND season in the league, and he was drafted as a long term project. Petro played only his third season in the league as well, and he was drafted as a project. Sometimes players take longer to develop. Just because they haven't shown much in their first couple of seasons in the league, doesn't automatically make them bums. Young players take time to develop. And if you're going to give up on them just because they don't start putting up huge numbers at this stage of their careers, then that explains why you are not the general manager. You don't draft players who play the same position year after year in the lottery. You're acting like this is the Celtics, Pistons, Lakers, or Spurs. When in reality, this is a team that only won 20 games last season. They have tons of weaknesses, and as a rebuilding team, you do not draft the same position year after year after year. It's time to go a different direction. You are also putting out Lopez to be some super can't miss talent, which he is not. </div> You said the same thing about Petro, Sene, Swift... potential. Potiental shouldn't stop you from drafting a NBA ready big who will fit your team nicely. Hawks were in a similar situation last year, Hawks had Solomon Jones, Zaza pachulia, and Josh Smith at the 4/5 spit all of them were below 23 so because they had young players, they should have passed on Horford, even though he was NBA ready. You don't pass on a player that you know will produce, just cause you have a project laying there. They have just as good a shot of being disappointment than actually panning out. </div> !!!!!! Horford was a guy they shouldn't have passed on and thank god they didn't. The only other guy they could have considered was Conley. Horford was a much better prospect than Lopez. And Smith is a natural 3 playing out of position because you guys have a million swingmen. </div> Of all the players in this draft most similar to horford is Lopez. A NBA ready big, who has alot of upside. The Hawks were in desperate need of a PG, everybody said they be stupid to pass on Conely around this time, cause they had players at Horford posistion, yet they still picked him and he panned out. Smoove is a 4
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jack and Outlaw are not end of the bench type players. They both were 6th men of the year vote getters</div> Outlaw would be 3rd SF on the team, maybe 4th (behind Thabo). Jack would be behind Hinrich, Rose, Thabo, and Hughes. It's just not filling a need for one team in the deal, see what I mean? (The only reason to consider trading Gordon is if we draft Rose)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 20 2008, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ May 20 2008, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 20 2008, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>None of their big has developed well. Robert Swift isn't the same developing prospect he was a couple of years ago. Saer Sene is just to raw and will never do much, Johan Petro is a nice looking prospect, but he's more of a energy, Someone who comes off the bench block shots, does alot of dirty work. Chris Wilcox should be traded this summer. The player Durant will benefit fromt he most is Lopez, cause of the attention he'll command in the post, it'll let someone like Durant do alot more int he perimeter.</div> Petro is 21, Sene is 22, Swift is 22, and Gelabale is 24. Wilcox is 25 and Collinson is 27. Marshall is the only old player of the group, and he won't be in their future plans. Petro, Sene, Swift, and Gelabale were drafted as raw, long term projects. Just because they haven't produced much in their first couple of seasons in the league doesn't mean anything. They weren't supposed to. Obviously the Sonics saw something special in these players (especially the four they took in the lottery) or else they would've chosen someone else. Swift has been hampered with injuries. Will he ever live up to his potential? Who knows. But again, he's only 22, and has tons of time to improve. Sene is raw and will never "do" much? Who are you to say that? As you would say, "LOL." Who are you to say such a thing? This season was only Sene's SECOND season in the league, and he was drafted as a long term project. Petro played only his third season in the league as well, and he was drafted as a project. Sometimes players take longer to develop. Just because they haven't shown much in their first couple of seasons in the league, doesn't automatically make them bums. Young players take time to develop. And if you're going to give up on them just because they don't start putting up huge numbers at this stage of their careers, then that explains why you are not the general manager. You don't draft players who play the same position year after year in the lottery. You're acting like this is the Celtics, Pistons, Lakers, or Spurs. When in reality, this is a team that only won 20 games last season. They have tons of weaknesses, and as a rebuilding team, you do not draft the same position year after year after year. It's time to go a different direction. You are also putting out Lopez to be some super can't miss talent, which he is not. </div> You said the same thing about Petro, Sene, Swift... potential. Potiental shouldn't stop you from drafting a NBA ready big who will fit your team nicely. Hawks were in a similar situation last year, Hawks had Solomon Jones, Zaza pachulia, and Josh Smith at the 4/5 spit all of them were below 23 so because they had young players, they should have passed on Horford, even though he was NBA ready. You don't pass on a player that you know will produce, just cause you have a project laying there. They have just as good a shot of being disappointment than actually panning out. </div> The Hawks did not draft Solomon Jones and Zaza Pachulia in the lottery. The Sonics have four young, developing bigs on their roster, to go along with solid starters in Chris Wilcox and Nick Collison, and a role player in Marshall. Again, why would you take another big in the lottery after already taken four in recent drafts, when there are other needs? They already have four bigs they are trying to develop. Drafting Lopez will only cause confusion between the minutes, and development of these players. You can't possibly expect the management to develop five young bigs at a time, and you can't expect them to just completely give up on the four they have invested a great deal of time on developing. LOL You are also making it sound like Lopez will become some sort of can't miss prospect, which he won't. Guys like Bayless isn't much of a fall off in talent. LMFAO
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 20 2008, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jack and Outlaw are not end of the bench type players. They both were 6th men of the year vote getters</div> Outlaw would be 3rd SF on the team, maybe 4th (behind Thabo). Jack would be behind Hinrich, Rose, Thabo, and Hughes. It's just not filling a need for one team in the deal, see what I mean? (The only reason to consider trading Gordon is if we draft Rose) </div> Ya I know what your saying I also thinks it 2 guys overvaluing their own players
Draft Rose. Re-sign Gordon. Rose/Thabo/Gordon become the 3 guard rotation. Rose with the playmaking/scoring ability. Gordon with scoring/shooting. Thabo with defense/Thabo-ness. Upfront: If Denver is looking to unload Carmelo, make them a package of Deng, Hinrich, future picks for Melo. Melo/Nocioni at the 3. Gooden/Tyrus at the 4. Noah/Gray at the 5. /homer
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ May 20 2008, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 20 2008, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ May 20 2008, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ May 20 2008, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>None of their big has developed well. Robert Swift isn't the same developing prospect he was a couple of years ago. Saer Sene is just to raw and will never do much, Johan Petro is a nice looking prospect, but he's more of a energy, Someone who comes off the bench block shots, does alot of dirty work. Chris Wilcox should be traded this summer. The player Durant will benefit fromt he most is Lopez, cause of the attention he'll command in the post, it'll let someone like Durant do alot more int he perimeter.</div> Petro is 21, Sene is 22, Swift is 22, and Gelabale is 24. Wilcox is 25 and Collinson is 27. Marshall is the only old player of the group, and he won't be in their future plans. Petro, Sene, Swift, and Gelabale were drafted as raw, long term projects. Just because they haven't produced much in their first couple of seasons in the league doesn't mean anything. They weren't supposed to. Obviously the Sonics saw something special in these players (especially the four they took in the lottery) or else they would've chosen someone else. Swift has been hampered with injuries. Will he ever live up to his potential? Who knows. But again, he's only 22, and has tons of time to improve. Sene is raw and will never "do" much? Who are you to say that? As you would say, "LOL." Who are you to say such a thing? This season was only Sene's SECOND season in the league, and he was drafted as a long term project. Petro played only his third season in the league as well, and he was drafted as a project. Sometimes players take longer to develop. Just because they haven't shown much in their first couple of seasons in the league, doesn't automatically make them bums. Young players take time to develop. And if you're going to give up on them just because they don't start putting up huge numbers at this stage of their careers, then that explains why you are not the general manager. You don't draft players who play the same position year after year in the lottery. You're acting like this is the Celtics, Pistons, Lakers, or Spurs. When in reality, this is a team that only won 20 games last season. They have tons of weaknesses, and as a rebuilding team, you do not draft the same position year after year after year. It's time to go a different direction. You are also putting out Lopez to be some super can't miss talent, which he is not. </div> You said the same thing about Petro, Sene, Swift... potential. Potiental shouldn't stop you from drafting a NBA ready big who will fit your team nicely. Hawks were in a similar situation last year, Hawks had Solomon Jones, Zaza pachulia, and Josh Smith at the 4/5 spit all of them were below 23 so because they had young players, they should have passed on Horford, even though he was NBA ready. You don't pass on a player that you know will produce, just cause you have a project laying there. They have just as good a shot of being disappointment than actually panning out. </div> The Hawks did not draft Solomon Jones and Zaza Pachulia in the lottery. The Sonics have four young, developing bigs on their roster, to go along with solid starters in Chris Wilcox and Nick Collison, and a role player in Marshall. Again, why would you take another big in the lottery after already taken four in recent drafts, when there are other needs? They already have four bigs they are trying to develop. Drafting Lopez will only cause confusion between the minutes, and development of these players. You can't possibly expect the management to develop five young bigs at a time, and you can't expect them to just completely give up on the four they have invested a great deal of time on developing. LOL You are also making it sound like Lopez will become some sort of can't miss prospect, which he won't. Guys like Bayless isn't much of a fall off in talent. LMFAO </div> Solomon Jone is a prospect they really like, and Zaza was already a proven player, that wasn't a reason to pass on horford. They have 4 develping bigs, that are a long way away from being what Lopez already is. You really see Saer Sene being a starting center in this league, no he's way to raw. Swift has already gone through to many injuries, I think he had a major injury before the one last season. Johan Petro is a nice prospect, but he isn't gonna be commanding double teams against any body, he'd be a good player along side Lopez, but not someone you can label your post scorer. Every championship team in the last decade had atleast one good post big man on their roster. Put a post player like Lopez, and a future superstar like Durant and you have something going. None of the big men they have now, with the exception on Swift, who is injury prone, will become great post scorer. If they did, you'd start seeing flashes of it now. Jerryd Bayless is a scoring guard not a PG not a SG, something like Jamal Crawford. When he's put in situation you really think, he's gonna turn playmaker, no he's gonna go to his biggest strength and that's trying to score. that will disrupt all the other players on the teams rhythm, when you have your guard trying to take all the shots(see the Hornets game last night). You add their a rebuilding team, their gonna be in the same situation next season, where they'll have an oppurtunity to get a Ricky Rubio or a Brandon Jenning.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 20 2008, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Smoove is not a natural 4 He's a tweener if anything</div> He's 4, just like Michael Beasley is a 4.
Also, hawksfan, I wouldn't really compare Lopez and Horford. They are different players. Brook Lopez is not as athletic. He lacks foot speed and strength and lacks Horford's explosiveness. Horford also shot 59% during his college career, while Lopez never even shot 50%. Horford also played terrific defense in college, holding Oden to only 7 points in the championship game. I don't think the same can be said about Lopez. LOL
I wasn't comparing their games, I was comparing what kind of prospect they are. And Horford didn't hold Oden to 7 pts. they played in different confetences, and with different players.
