Welcome Toumani Camara

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Rastapopoulos, Sep 27, 2023.

  1. handiman

    handiman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    5,881
    Likes Received:
    3,916
    Trophy Points:
    113
    As for not being as aggressive as Pippen in some facets defensively, I imagine that changes if you look at Pippen at the same stage of his career. It takes time to earn a [positive] reputation with the refs and learn how much physicality you can get away with. Push that envelope too soon, and you end up with a negative rep.

    Personally, I think Camara is as close to a mirror image of Pippen defensively as you can get from a unicorn. He's obviously nowhere near the offensive threat that Pip was, but no one's calling him a first ballot HOF'er yet, either.
     
    Phatguysrule and Wizard Mentor like this.
  2. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2008
    Messages:
    22,650
    Likes Received:
    15,093
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Camara can be as good if not better at 3-point shooting, but yeah it was Scottie's play-making ability that made him so good on the offensive end. And as you alluded to, nobody is expecting Camara to be an all-star, let alone a HOFer.
     
    HoopsFanAZ and Phatguysrule like this.
  3. ant

    ant egg

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    561
    Likes Received:
    369
    Trophy Points:
    63
    This Toumani tidbit from the Athletic is kind of nuts….just ONE non-paint 2-point shot all season??


    Toumani midrange jumper(s)
    The threat of the buzzer is messing with history — and not just because it is hurting Jokić’s chance at a 3-point title. There is a lesser (but cooler) bit of trivia that’s now vanished in Portland.

    Just before the All-Star break, with only a few seconds remaining in a third-quarter possession against the Minnesota Timberwolves, Toumani Camara received the basketball in the right corner. He dribbled once to his left, circling his Portland Trail Blazers teammate Deandre Ayton, and pulled up from just inside the 3-point arc for an errant jump shot. The Blazers lost, snapping a season-long six-game winning streak — and it wasn’t because of a desperation jumper. But that shot, whether it went in or not, was bigger than just a blip.

    Depending on your perspective, Camara’s Blazers are in the midst of either ruining the tank or justifying the conglomeration of veterans and young talent they clutched onto beyond the trade deadline.

    The past month has yielded 2023 No. 3 pick Scoot Henderson’s best ball. The 24-year-old forward Deni Avdija is making what may not be the leap but is at least some kind of leap, chucking up 3s with more confidence than ever, attacking the basket and leading an offense that’s actually meshing. Camara is stifling opponents at an All-Defense level. The Blazers are on a four-game skid but had won 10 of 11 before that.

    Much is going right in Portland, except for those advocating for the tank — oh, and also for any geeks who realized Camara put the kibosh on a chance at history when the basketball rolled off his fingertips.

    That shot was Camara’s first non-paint 2-point jumper of the season. Even after taking it, he’s tracking for the most cookie-cutter shot profile the NBA has ever seen.

    No player in history has taken more than 138 3s in a season without tossing up at least one midrange jumper, a record Gary Clark established in his legacy-setting 2018-19 campaign. Clark must have celebrated that Camara jumper the same way the 1972 Miami Dolphins reacted to Eli Manning defeating Tom Brady and the New England Patriots.

    But Clark was a 3-point specialist. All he did was hang around the arc. Camara will get to the basket, too.

    He has already taken more than 200 3-pointers. He still leads the league in corner 3s and above-the-break 3s among the 120 players who have taken no more than one midrange range shot. He’s second to the Detroit Pistons’ Jalen Duren, a rim-diving center, in paint attempts among that same crew.

    Modern-day analytics is not about eliminating the midrange indiscriminately. Kevin Durant pulling up from 17 feet, for example, is still a good shot. But Camara is trimming the pork, and he’s doing it to an extreme no one this side of Clark has.

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/61...-magic-nba-trends/?source=user_shared_articleNikola Jokić’s ‘league-leading’ shooting, Magic’s woes and more NBA trends I’m watching
     
  4. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    14,356
    Likes Received:
    14,430
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
  5. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    69,942
    Likes Received:
    57,925
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    N.E.P.
    That’s a dope nickname TOUChainz!
     
  6. HailBlazers

    HailBlazers RipCity

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2008
    Messages:
    19,764
    Likes Received:
    16,806
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    PDX
    Better hear some next Tou reel!!
     
  7. handiman

    handiman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    5,881
    Likes Received:
    3,916
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Better than my thought after the game: Ball Buster.
     
  8. HoopsFanAZ

    HoopsFanAZ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2022
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    929
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    Arizona
    Toumani and Deni are already looking like starters for 2025-2026.
    Clingan is the heir apparent center? Does anyone expect Ayton to beat him next year and moving forward? Not me. And Ayton is pretty good, all things considered. He isn’t a red@$$. No hard hat and minus the passing and blocks.

    Clingan is the heir apparent at center, and they have two REAL, positionally versatile forwards. This means the Blazers do NOT have positional need as much as usual heading into the draft. Scoot is looking significantly better than last year and the early part of this season. Sharpe has tools on O and needs to pick it up on D — especially his motor and “want to.”

    The Blazers need a STAR (actually 2). Can one of the current young guys become that? I don’t know. Maybe.
    Superstar? Less likely, to be blunt.

    Tank/lose/play the young guys/load management … and pray to the basketball gods.
     
  9. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    69,942
    Likes Received:
    57,925
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    N.E.P.
    I’m stuck on what a “red@$$” is, sorry.
     
  10. blazerfan11

    blazerfan11 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2019
    Messages:
    10,713
    Likes Received:
    10,832
    Trophy Points:
    113
  11. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    34,272
    Likes Received:
    43,611
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Dude is just growing in his impact every week. I am fully convinced that none of us have any idea what his actual ceiling is. So excited to see what he becomes.
     
  12. HoopsFanAZ

    HoopsFanAZ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2022
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    929
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    Arizona
    Guys with some attitude, intensity, physicality who will lay the wood — not dirty as much as send a message.
    Clingan has those beginnings and will likely step into the role as he gets a couple years in. Blazers old school “red-ass” started with Lucas and more recently Prz.
     
    Wizard Mentor and THE HCP like this.
  13. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2013
    Messages:
    50,047
    Likes Received:
    35,321
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes it is.
     
  14. theprunetang

    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    11,700
    Likes Received:
    21,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I started calling him The Hustle from Brussels.
     
    SwissBlazer and handiman like this.
  15. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    23,690
    Likes Received:
    36,244
    Trophy Points:
    113
    he's going to get steadily better....no doubt about that. Dame kept improving until he arguably had the best season of his career at 32

    but Camara will turn 25 in 2.5 months so I'm skeptical he has any big leaps left like a 20 year old might have. Might be slow and steady wins the race
     
  16. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    69,942
    Likes Received:
    57,925
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    N.E.P.
    Is it strange that I’m happy with ANYTHING he contributes on the offensive end. It’s all gravy!
     
  17. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    31,402
    Likes Received:
    24,364
    Trophy Points:
    113


    This was my favorite play from last night
     
    HailBlazers likes this.
  18. AldoTrapani

    AldoTrapani Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2019
    Messages:
    9,285
    Likes Received:
    2,695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Whats your guess? Surely not all nba right?
     
  19. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    92,730
    Likes Received:
    55,371
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    All NBA. Hall of Fame. Basically the next Kawhi.
     
  20. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    34,272
    Likes Received:
    43,611
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't know. Someone recently suggested Jimmy Butler as a comparison, and I'm beginning to think that's not completely far-fetched. Whatever his ceiling, I'm all in on him being a Blazer until he retires.
     
    Wizard Mentor likes this.

Share This Page