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  1. WillG

    WillG Well-Known Member

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    I think Biggies passing would be invaluable to the second unit (& his scoring).
    Should work paired with defensive ability of Aminu.

    Collins, along with Nurk, can provide some lock-down defensive presence to the first unit front court and provide clean-up duty for all the first teams firepower.
     
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    I hope he starts many games at 4. I think his future will be there, as Nurkic is very young and will stick around for a long time therefore 'forcing' Collins to develop his game as a 4 more, which I reckon is better for him anyway. I like his game a lot, he seems to be genuinely good at so many things and I really don't see any glaring weaknesses in his game, he looks like a complete player at such a young age.
     
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    The way Collins move on defense he can play the 4. On offense you always have a player on the low post due to both Collins and Nurk can shoot the outside shot. Plus Collins moves without the ball make Nurk assit totals to go up. But right I don't think there going to rush him because of strength and he still learning the game. But I do see him our future 4.
     
  4. HailBlazers

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    My #1 desired trait for our team is paint protection. IMO it's the linchpin to a great defense. A Nurk/Collins combo is very promising to that end.
     
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    I think its the idea that what we currently see with Collins is the raw and inexperience version is what makes him so appealing. He looks like a 2nd or 3rd year player that is just starting to "get it". What an awesome thought that he still has room to develop and grow and get better with experience. That's why he should play as much as possible. Can you imagine him with more strength and say the ability to take his man off the dribble. He then starts to look like Porzingis. Im not saying he will or should be that player it was just an example but the idea that he has room to grow with a foundation that is already so good is awesome.
     
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    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    With our normal starting PF's, that might be early November.
     
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    Collins checks the most boxes when compared to Aminu, Davis, Swanigan, and Vonleh. It's just a matter of time.
     
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    Have we seen him next to Nurk much yet?
     
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    I think Collins will have a hard time beating Swanigan out. Biggie is just so active out there.
     
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    The first or second preseason game. It was fun.
     
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    If Collins becomes a reliable stretch four, Aminu could play the three and our defensive liabilities (Dame/CJ) would be mitigated.
     
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    Not that I can remember. Swanigan has but I don't think Collins has. If Terry tries it.... it needs to be Wednesday. Time is running out for experiments.
     
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    Really? I can't remember it. Regardless I would start him on wednesday just to see how it works in the starting line up. Then go with his final decision for the last preseason game.
     
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  14. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    A taller version of Andre Kirilenko is the comparable I'm finally settling on. AK47 was more of a 4/3 because of his height, while Collins is more 4/5. But they both have great mobility, help defense, man defense, shot blocking, and a little (but not great) play making.

    Swanigan is just so similar to Zach Randolph to me, and I'd love to have a young guy produce like Z-bo did.

    But when you look at the overall fit on this team, would you rather a young Z-bo or a young AK47 for your four?

    Especially the way the league is heading, I'd definitely prefer AK. Even if we had a guy who was 100% as good as Zach vs a guy who was only 75% as good as AK, I'd still go with the AK guy.
     
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    I want the better player to start. Too early to tell who that is right now.
     
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    What I love is that we have both right now. And if Dame can get them to buy into the bench mob, we'll get really good really quick.
     
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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Definitely. Last year we just got creamed at the PF position, night in and night out. We'd go 10 or 12 games in a row without once winning that battle.

    Stotts at least has lots of decent options this year--ironically more than at any other position on the team. We're just bound to hit on something that works.
     
  18. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Too simplistic a view. "Better player" varies with situation. It's arguable that Swanigan might be the "better player", but that his advantage is primarily offensive, which is less important in the starting lineup alongside Dame/CJ/Nurk, whereas Collins' defensive abilities can make him the more effective player at the starting 4.
     
  19. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    No kidding. I think Collins will be the teams best fit with Nurk before the end of the season. We'll see.

    :cheers:
     
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    Hopefully before the start of the season!
    As much as I like Biggie, there is only one choice at starting PF.
     
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