Politics 'We're Digging Coal Again': Trump Celebrates Opening of New Coal Mine

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  1. Jade Falcon

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    ....and a lot more costly to get. That's the part you're leaving out. Never-mind the fact that a bunch of Liberal college retards protest whenever you drill for it.

    It also takes a lot more infrastructure to get it, convert it, and burn it than traditional coal does.
     
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    It doesn't entirely make sense to say that it is a lot more costly to get, but is cheaper, does it?

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    Then why did you say it? All I did was add to your equation.

    By all means, if you can find an UNBIASED source that says gas is cheaper and EASIER to get than Coal, then I'll believe you.
     
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    Well, actually I'm going to retract my statement and admit I was wrong. I know that's against the S2 code of conduct, but oh well.

    I was a bit out of date. It seems that over the past year the price of gas has recovered such that coal is in fact cheaper to burn right now.

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    Don't feel bad. I wish more people on here would admit when they're wrong. There's no shame in that.
     
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    It's the US power companies that want to burn gas over coal. Coal is very dirty to burn, the operation and maintenance cost are much higher than natural gas.
     
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    Yes... old coal plants are being retired, and new coal plants aren't being built. It is unlikely that demand for coal is going to increase domestically. Maybe we can dig it up and ship it to China for them to burn, but they have their own coal mines.

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    Good friend of mine's family were all coal miners from the Midwest. Holy shit did they have some stories. "I owe my soul to the company store." You ain't lying, Mr. Ford. I will never take for granted something I bought but didn't make. I will never take for granted something I eat but didn't kill. I will never bullshit myself into thinking that I am cultured than another community of people just because they go to church and shop at Walmart. I realize that I must have empathy with people who I am nothing alike and always see it from there perspective. Coal may be terrible for the environment and an outmoded way of making a living, but I understand where the people who dig it are coming from.
     
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    I may have posted this graph before but it is pretty amazing. 100 years ago, almost a million people were coal miners.

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    https://www.plasticsmakeitpossible.com/about-plastics/types-of-plastics/what-are-plastics/

    The raw materials for today’s plastics come from many places (some even use salt!), but most plastics can be made from the hydrocarbons that are readily available in natural gas, oil and coal.

    https://plastics.americanchemistry.com/How-Plastics-Are-Made/

    The manufactured or synthetic plastics are often designed to mimic the properties of natural materials. Plastics, also called polymers, are produced by the conversion of natural products or by the synthesis from primary chemicals generally coming from oil, natural gas, or coal.

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    The raw material formation may begin by separating the hydrocarbon chemicals from natural gas, petroleum, or coal into pure streams of chemicals.
     
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    I was reading about this this morning....same article. Plastics do come from many sources that include petroleum products....coal can be used but it mostly used for tar, ashphalt, and in steel manufacturing.....and is used for heating and cooking in some countries but that is becoming less and less common. interestingly enough....Trump before becoming president was heavily invested in the steel industry...soybeans are used to make plastics....if you have a car from the 50s or before it probably had a steering wheel made from soybean plastic....Taiwan leads the world in plastic production or did in the past and they do not use coal products to make plastic...they do use petroleum though.
     
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    "Hey, look everyone! It's President Obama! Hello Mr. President, we all voted for you!"

    "Thank you....good citizen. Now it's time for common sense environmental change."

    "....okay! Um, what can we do....?"

    "Well, we're taking away your jobs."

    ".....what?!"

    "Yes. Coal is antiquated and bad for children."

    "But....but what about MY children? How will they eat when I don't have a job?"

    "I'm sure you could move your family to California and work at a solar plant there."

    "But....how am I supposed to afford that when I don't have a job?! And I don't know anything about working in Solar!"

    "That's not my problem. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a dinner with a billionaire hedge-fund donor and Hillary Clinton at a golf club."

    "Well....I mean....at least I just got Obamacare....so I'll still get to keep my doctor...."

    "Yeah, about that....here, talk to this bureaucrat that I nominated to some meaningless position and she'll fill you in on the finer details...."
     
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