Exclusive Wesley Mathews or Arron Afflalo

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  1. BigGameDamian

    BigGameDamian Well-Known Member

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    Maybe a bit early but you know its coming. So if you could only choose one of the two who would it be?
     
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    This is ban-worthy shit right here! :)
     
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    Both. Dont care how we keep both and keep Lopez as well. Trade one next off season if were worried about salary... oh wait the cap would be 90m we would still be under by 25m.
     
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    Wes fits better with what's going on here with Stotts and the offense, IMO. That his personality is prob more of a fit. I have concerns and more of the things he can't do. But If you can sign Arron and keep the two together it's less of an concern.

    It wouldn't mind seeing one (If not both) being sent off with some change to Toronto for DeMar Derozan. Offensively, I'm thinking he can do it all. And defensively, he will improve in time.
     
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    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    You're right, it is too early.
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    We don't have to choose.

    We won't have to choose.

    We need both.

    We'll keep both.

    Or what's a heaven for?
     
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  7. riverman

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    I think both will want to stay here. Especially after we win a ring this season.
     
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  8. bulls_with_booz

    bulls_with_booz We're Selfish

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    Afflalo is based but Wes is making 3's like he's Ashton Kutcher out there mang.
     
  9. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Finals or WCF you keep both.
     
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    Wes. He's a superior defender and a better complement to slender Batum. But I want to keep both.

    I think I'd keep Wes even if he we had to pay him a max contract. But at that dollar amount vs Afflalo on a mid sized deal I'd have to admit Arron would be the superior value.
     
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    I absolutely hate this thinking.

    The Spurs got bounced in the first round and lost in the playoffs all sorts of years but kept their core together. The Mavs kept building around Dirk after years of disappointing playoffs. If we have the right players the results of one playoff series in an insanely competitive conference should have very little impact to the proper plan of building a roster.

    If we either lose in the first round or are a couple wins from the finals I believe Neil needs to build the roster the same.
     
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    bulls_with_booz We're Selfish

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    I'm with you Draco. Afflalo's a productive player, as is Wes, with or without a trip to the WCF this year.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    A core is 3 players, IMO. You can't have 6 max or near max players on a team that isn't a championship contender. Don't get me wrong. I am the biggest Wes Matthews fan here. I love the guy and want him to stay. I also like Batum and Loepz. AA is growing on me but you don't go over the salary cap on a 1st round loser.

    If we lose in the first round you keep Lillard, LMA and .... fuck if I know. I would say Wes but I'm biased.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I vote maybe
     
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    I think the opposite also holds true. If they win it all, if they see a way to improve. They should also pull the trigger.
     
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    These guys could both go to a losing franchise..(Knicks, Philly, Boston, Denver, etc) and get paid probably more but the attraction to stay here is the culture, system and fanbase. Winning solves everything but when it comes down to it...it's not the Blazers who need to convince them, it's the players that have to want to play here and believe. It won't hurt the cap much to sign longer deals because the cap is going way up after next season. Worse case, you pay some luxury tax next year to keep the roster intact.
     
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    So you think the Spurs who lost in the first round or the Mavs who lost in the first round weren't championship contenders? I disagree. Both teams won titles and its stupid to overreact to the results of one playoff series.
     
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    Yes good points; the team has plenty of room under the cap for 4 younger veteran "max" contracts this offseason since the cap will later be increasing to 90 million. Sure it'd be great for the Blazers if players accepted less to play here but I'm fine with us paying players their full market value. The problem with big free agent contracts isn't giving them to motivated vets like Wesley and Rolo; its paying Darius Miles $50 million or Theo Ratliff $40 million when the team is in the lottery and no other suitors are interested. Or when teams pay their own rookies stupid extensions as Toronto did with Barngani or Denver with McGee to try and validated their previous poor decisions.

    Hell if a free agent player wants to play in Portland instead of Los Angeles or New York for the same money shouldn't we be excited? Portland has supposedly never been a free agent attraction so its quite greedy to now say not only should players come and stay here but they should leave money on the table to do so. Its easy as a fan to say someone else should take a pay cut when its someone elses money. I don't blame any player for getting what they are worth and I think those players are worth as much to the Blazers as any other team so I hope we pay them and keep them.
     
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  19. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I want to keep both.

    But I actually think AA is a more efficient player. Wes is more explosive, but he goes through some vicious droughts.
     
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    The Spurs had championship players and a championship coach in place when they lost in the first round. We have none of that... yet. I really don't think the Spurs comparison is valid. They had previously won championships.

    I'm saying, if we make the finals or WCFs it's a no brainer, you bring everyone back. No matter what it costs, you bring them back. If we lose in the 1st round, a step backwards from last year you have to look at making changes/improvements. Why wouldn't you? If there aren't better options you then stay the same and bring everyone back.
     

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