<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 13 2008, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 13 2008, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>stack is going to be bought out, he isnt even taking a plane here</div> Source about the plane? </div> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hOe_kA_...3mnt1QD8UPMIO03
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 13 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think the Mavs are going to fall off in next two or three years though, so thinking the picks will be in the teens or any lower than that might be asking a bit too much. Josh Howard is only 27 and Nowitzki is only 29. And don't forget Mark Cuban is still the owner. If they need something, he'll shell out the money to get it.</div> The Mavs are immediately going to sign Kidd to an extension, so they'll probably have less cap space than you think. Assuming the extension is for 2 more years, that would give them Dirk, Kidd, Josh Howard, Dampier and Terry making a combined 64 million dollars over the next 4 years (assuming they re-sign Howard, who's the only player of the bunch you could legitimately refer to as "the future"). I don't know how it's going to play out, but that means that (less 3 million dollars) their entire bench is made up of players signed with luxury tax money. We all know Cuban will pay it, but wow...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Feb 13 2008, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for Dallas, I'm a bit skeptical because of the fact that I'm high on Harris. At the same time, however, this was a move that they absolutely had to make. They weren't going to win much of anything with what they had, but they now have a much better chance with Kidd.</div> Let me rephrase this: Dallas absolutely needed to make a move. They certainly gave up too much for Kidd. This trade is going to be a complete failure for Dallas if they don't win a championship, and I still don't think they will do it. Losing Diop is going to kill them if and when they match up with San Antonio or Phoenix, especially, in the playoffs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 13 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 13 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think the Mavs are going to fall off in next two or three years though, so thinking the picks will be in the teens or any lower than that might be asking a bit too much. Josh Howard is only 27 and Nowitzki is only 29. And don't forget Mark Cuban is still the owner. If they need something, he'll shell out the money to get it.</div> The Mavs are immediately going to sign Kidd to an extension, so they'll probably have less cap space than you think. Assuming the extension is for 2 more years, that would give them Dirk, Kidd, Josh Howard, Dampier and Terry making a combined 64 million dollars over the next 4 years (assuming they re-sign Howard, who's the only player of the bunch you could legitimately refer to as "the future"). I don't know how it's going to play out, but that means that (less 3 million dollars) their entire bench is made up of players signed with luxury tax money. We all know Cuban will pay it, but wow... </div> What I meant was they wouldn't be afraid to go over the luxury tax, take on a longer contract in a trade, use the MLE on a player that some other teams might not take a shot on, that sort of thing. They aren't going to be under the cap for a long time, that's for sure.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 13 2008, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 13 2008, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 13 2008, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>stack is going to be bought out, he isnt even taking a plane here</div> Source about the plane? </div> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hOe_kA_...3mnt1QD8UPMIO03 </div> thank you
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 13 2008, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If nothing comes of it, which is the more likely chance than James... do we get to think this deal stinks twice as much in 2 years? -Petey</div> LOL, yes, but only if you balance that against the fact that Kidd simply wasn't, by all accounts, bringing any better offers since being put on the block last year and against the fact that the Nets for two seasons have struggled to even be close to .500 WITH him as the PG while his salary has crippled their ability to sign other good players. The Nets can lose 9 in a row with Marcus Williams at the point, if that's the fear. They can be 6 games under 500 right before the allstar break without Kidd. He plainly isn't anything close to a franchise player anymore. There is no more "building around him". There's "get what you can get before the market sinks even further." In just a little over a year, Jason Kidd would have been worth absolutely NOTHING to the Nets, since he could walk for free at that time. And while, despite this, I would not have advocated trading him if he had shown the kind of loyalty to the Nets that they showed him through all his groping, griping, and disruptive homelife issues, his "get me out of here" attitude makes it a no-brainer if a reasonable return could be had. And I think the Nets got a more than reasonable return.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 13 2008, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 13 2008, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If nothing comes of it, which is the more likely chance than James... do we get to think this deal stinks twice as much in 2 years? -Petey</div> LOL, yes, but only if you balance that against the fact that Kidd simply wasn't, by all accounts, bringing any better offers since being put on the block last year and against the fact that the Nets for two seasons have struggled to even be close to .500 WITH him as the PG while his salary has crippled their ability to sign other good players. The Nets can lose 9 in a row with Marcus Williams at the point, if that's the fear. They can be 6 games under 500 right before the allstar break without Kidd. He plainly isn't anything close to a franchise player anymore. There is no more "building around him". There's "get what you can get before the market sinks even further." In just a little over a year, Jason Kidd would have been worth absolutely NOTHING to the Nets, since he could walk for free at that time. And while, despite this, I would not have advocated trading him if he had shown the kind of loyalty to the Nets that they showed him through all his groping, griping, and disruptive homelife issues, his "get me out of here" attitude makes it a no-brainer if a reasonable return could be had. And I think the Nets got a more than reasonable return. </div> Depending on Stackhouse's buyout, might be better to just have let Kidd walk, considering it's already rumored Stack is expecting to be back w/ the Mavs after a 30 day vacation. -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 13 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Depending on Stackhouse's buyout, might be better to just have let Kidd walk, considering it's already rumored Stack is expecting to be back w/ the Mavs after a 30 day vacation. -Petey</div> And give up the possibility of Diop re-signing, Ager actually producing for us (which we might need, we'll only have Boki and George as backupwings), Harris being a part of our future, 2 first round picks, and the possibility of using any of the above to trade for something better? I'm happier with the trade than I'd be with keeping Kidd.
If I were Dallas, I would start offering Terry for another big and a decent back up pg. Dampier is basically their only true center. Oh yeah, for tonight we wont be able to play these guys since the trade is awaiting approval and players cant play for like the first game after a trade or something huh?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Feb 13 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The West is even more ridiculous after this trade. The Nets get a lot of pieces back for Kidd, but what happens to Marcus Williams now?</div> Exactly.
time for tomorrow. Kidd is one of my fav players but it's always about the name on the front not the back. At least now the Nets Organization and some fans can face the fact we are rebuilding
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Feb 13 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>NO NO NOOO Harris and two first rounders“? Am I dreaming? This can't be right!</div> I was thinking that the best we could get for Kidd was Harris and a first. Getting decent filler players and a second 1st (and a 2nd rounder as well), is a great deal. Thorn really played his cards right, although I think we have the Mavs recent losses to thank for this the most.
I'm really excited about getting Devean George in New Jersey. I've heard he's a great team player, and I bet he can't wait to get here!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 13 2008, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm really excited about getting Devean George in New Jersey. I've heard he's a great team player, and I bet he can't wait to get here!</div>
Dallas sends two first round picks to Memphis. Link. I posted this trade on 2/2/07. Every single player and draft pick in this deal has been traded and all the teams did worse than if they had made this deal instead.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 13 2008, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> Link. I posted this trade on 2/2/07. Every single player and draft pick in this deal has been traded and all the teams did worse than if they had made this deal instead.</div> Great trade for the Nets. Too bad the Grizzlies weren't in fire sale mode last year.
