Politics WH officials crashed highly classified briefings about the Russia probe

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Actually not true, your cynicism has gotten the better of you.

    Also, there are different degrees of corruption. This is easily the most corrupt administration in the last century or so.

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    Texas Republican Who Pushed To Impeach Obama Just Got Jailed After Being Convicted Of 23 Felonies

    A Republican former congressman from Texas has been convicted of fraud after funneling $1.25 million from donors into personal expenses as part of what prosecutors have described as a “white collar crime spree.”

    A jury in federal court in Houston ruled Thursday afternoon that former GOP lawmaker Steve Stockman (Texas) is guilty of all but one of the 24 felonies he was charged with last March.

    Stockman faces 20 years in federal prison for each conviction, including 11 counts of money laundering, seven counts of mail and wire fraud, two counts of make false statements to the Federal Election Commission, one count of making coordinated excess campaign contributions, one count of conspiracy to make conduit campaign contributions, and one count of filing a false tax return.

    Following the verdict, Stockman was taken to jail where he will await sentencing, which is scheduled for Aug. 17.

    “Stephen Stockman abused his position as United States Congressman to defraud charitable donors and then used the proceeds of his crimes to corrupt the election process and make a range of impermissible personal expenditures,” said Acting Assistant Attorney General John P. Cronan.

    Stockman was charged with two former aides, Thomas Dodd and Jason Posey, who both entered guilty pleas and testified against their former boss. The three faced 28 felony charges in total.

    When he was in Congress, Stockman, a staunch conservative, gained notoriety for threatening to seek the impeachment of then-President Barack Obama if he tried to implement gun control regulations through executive action.

    https://politicaldig.com/texas-repu...-prison-after-being-convicted-in-23-felonies/
     
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  3. tlongII

    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    Maybe. Can you prove that?
     
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    another day in the White House and another day of corruption.
     
    CupWizier, May 25, 2018
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    Read the list at the New York Times. The guy lies on a daily basis and turning a head to it makes one part of the problem.
     
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  6. tlongII

    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    Wrong.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Seriously, if you're going to have blinders on this much it's not worth trying to engage in an adult conversation with you anymore.
     
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    Well, since they're here let's all tell em classified shit they're not supposed to know. Wtf is wrong with this country?

    Imagine planning a surprise birthday party for someone and they show up and everyone just goes ahead as if they aren't there.
     
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    I’m not the one that can’t have an adult conversation.
     
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    FTFY.

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    Nice. Great adult conversation.
     
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    can a legal scholar help me understand (on the civilian side) what the difference is between this and "discovery", that I'm pretty sure anyone is entitled to? Because if it's just a matter of classified data being talked about, President and his CoS by definition have the need-to-know and clearances, but maybe there's a legal nuance I'm not getting here.
     
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    Top 10 things under Trump...

    10. He enforced President Barack Obama’s red line against Syria’s use of chemical weapons. When the regime of Bashar Assad used a toxic nerve agent on innocent men, women and children, Trump didn't wring his hands. He acted quickly and decisively, restoring America’s credibility on the world stage that Obama had squandered.

    9. He has taken a surprisingly tough line with Russia. Trump approved a $47 million arms package for Ukraine, sent troops to Poland’s border with Russia and imposed new sanctions on Moscow for violating the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty.

    8. He recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. Four American presidents promised to do it, but only one actually did. This is why the American people elected Trump. He does what he promises to do, for better or for worse — in this case, definitely for the better. Even Jeb Bush tweeted his approval.

    7. He withdrew from the Paris climate agreement. After George W. Bush pulled out of the disastrous Kyoto treaty, U.S. emissions went down faster than those in much of Europe. The same will be true for Trump's departure from the Paris accord. Combined with his approval of the Keystone XL pipeline, and opening of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to exploration, Trump is helping usher in a new age of American energy development.

    6. He got NATO allies to kick in $12 billion more toward our collective security. Decades of pleading by the Bush and Obama administrations failed to get NATO allies to meet their financial commitments to the alliance, but Trump’s tough talk and reluctance to affirm America's Article V commitment did the trick. NATO is stronger as a result.

    5. He has virtually eliminated Islamic State's physical caliphate. Trump removed the constraints Obama placed on our military and let it drive the terrorists from their strongholds.


    4. He admitted he was wrong on Afghanistan and reversed Obama's disastrous withdrawal. In a rare admission, Trump declared: “My original instinct was to pull out. ... But all my life, I've heard that decisions are much different when you sit behind the desk in the Oval Office. ... A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum for terrorists.”

    3. He enacted historic tax and regulatory reform that has unleashed economic growth. Trump signed the first comprehensive tax reform in three decades and removed the wet blanket of Obama-era regulations smothering our economy. We are now heading into our third consecutive quarter of above 3 percent growth.

    2. He is installing conservative judges who will preside for decades. With his appointment of Neil M. Gorsuch, Trump secured a conservative majority on the U.S. Supreme Court, and he is moving at record pace to fill the federal appeals courts with young conservative judges.

    1. He, not Hillary Clinton, was inaugurated as president. Trump delivered the coup de grace that ended the corrupt, dishonest Clinton political machine.
     
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    I'm not a legal scholar, but you don't have discovery before you have charges/lawsuit. Cart before horse.

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    barfo, May 26, 2018
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    If you haven't been charged with a crime I doubt you're entitled to discovery?

    "I wonder if they know about all of my crimes or just some of them, I'm going to go down there and make them show me what they have."
     
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    Well if you don't have charges, then this becomes the question of whether the President and his CoS have a need to know about classified information about what went on with respect to his campaign and whether or not the DOJ/FBI placed informants on it. And the answer is "yes" to that. So what's the problem?
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    The answer is not yes to that, unless you think the president is above the law.

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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    What do you think his 'need to know' is, anyway?

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    How much is Don Jrs bail going to be.

    And do ankle monitors still work in Russia.
     
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  20. BrianFromWA

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    There's a few in play...

    1) Head of the Executive Branch
    2) Potentially the victim of campaign spying
    3) Foreign relations impact of intel (or counter intel)

    among others...why do you think he shouldn't, especially if no charges have been filed? I mean, Mueller's missteps aren't exempt from being exploited.
     
    BrianFromWA, May 26, 2018
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