What a great country we live in! Couple fined for not hosting same-sex marriage

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  1. magnifier661

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    Missed the point? You stated that a religion cannot be excused from laws. I gave you two examples of two separate religions, that aren't Christian, that partake in breaking the law on a daily basis.

    Does that exclude from all laws? Absolutely not.

    But I'm just pointing out your example is flawed because there are churches even today exempt from certain laws.
     
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    No. The government shouldn't deny people freedom to use their property as they see fit, or force them to participate in religious ceremonies on their own property that they oppose. Nor should the government prohibit someone from driving 150 MPH on their farm land.

    The couple got married on someone else's farm. They aren't entitled to anyone letting them marry on someone else's property. But some people are cool and others are religious.
     
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  3. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Well said, but I would add. Some religions are cool and others are governments.
     
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    I sort of wonder how barfo can justify at all that a church can refuse to marry a gay couple. After all, the church is in the business of marrying people.

    Soooo... if the church can refuse, why shouldn't lay people who are religious also refuse?
     
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  5. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Yeah it seems like a double standard here.

    Like you and I agree. I'm all for gay marriages. I would even add that churches should allow gay people to attend church as well. But I think a church or religious people can "refuse the right to serve anyone"
     
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  6. barfo

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    So, if I own a restaurant on my own property (I own the restaurant business, the building, and the land on which it is built), I should be free to refuse service to black people?

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    So, if my religion says that Asian people are unclean, I can refuse to sell them gasoline, even though my gas station is the only one within 100 miles?

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    I can't justify that, and I won't try. I think it's disgusting behavior on the part of the church.

    Because the law says the church can refuse. I'm not saying I agree with that. I don't. I'm just observing that it is the law.

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    No, I didn't say that. And yes, you did miss the point.

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    Nah, you did say it. It's okay bro. If you want to back peddle on the comment you made, that's your choice.

    I may disagree with what they believe, but it's their right
     
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    Sure, and it's the asian's choice to talk shit about that place. But hey, you liberals are sue happy, so go ambulance chasing
     
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    Please quote me, then. Should be easy, there are only 70 posts in this thread. Feel free to find where I said that.

    Since I didn't make that comment, it's not backpeddling. But feel free to prove me wrong, if you can.

    That's nice. No one is debating whether people have a right to believe in whatever they want.

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    Did you already forget the statement you made?

    ironically I was able to use two instances where a religion that is not Christian, actually is able to partake in psychoactive drugs. But that really isn't the point.

    Your strawman and overused hyperbole was just exposed in this instance.
     
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    Really? None of you touched this one?

    Ok, I'll take one for the team. *ahem*

    So, your religion says you can hate stupid people...so you really must hate yourself then, eh?

    :)
     
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  15. barfo

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    You apparently don't know this, but the symbol "?" at the end of a sentence means it is a question, not a statement.

    To spell it out for you, I was asking Denny whether he believed that people should be allowed to break any laws they want, if they claim religious belief.

    That's not at all the same as me stating "that a religion cannot be excused from laws".

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  16. magnifier661

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    I do, but the second paragraph used a hyperbole to try and state a very inflated example to show how terrible this would be.

    You can use the question, but your arguments throughout this thread only supports that a religious person is still bound by laws.

    As I explained... That is not always the case, so now you spin it like that you didn't say it.

    You seem to be related to Obama
     
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    Look I think the woman should have married the lesbians, but I don't want some government to force that person.

    Picket the establishment and call them out. Asking the government to fine people is some bullshit.

    End of story
     
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    Actually... your examples are just wrong. Religious use of peyote by certain groups is legal. They aren't breaking the law.

    Whereas refusing service to gays is breaking the law. See the difference?

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    That seems a little extreme. Do you really think she'd be happy in a 3-way with them?

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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    It wasn't at first. In fact, the DEA seized all plants and bark that made ayahuasca. Only until they fought the case was when their rights were given back to them.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime
     
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