Very good. I think most forthright clergy agree. Helping to arm their people with knowledge makes better voters. Clergy commingling messages leaves men neither guided or educated.
Yes, yes I can...and it's a shame that you cannot...not at all surprising, but a shame none the less.
Was not suggesting whether it was right or wrong, only that it's the way things are and have been for a very long time.
Right, you said you didn't understand what I was trying to say, so I was just trying to communicate my opinion in a more articulate manner, not sure if I succeeded at that.
I grew up in a Pentecostal church environment. We were told all of the time, basically on a weekly basis to vote Republican. And it isn't just the church I went to. This happens at pretty much every evangelical church in the country.
I have gone to several churches in the Portland area and have literally never heard any of them say to vote Republican... The church I go to specifics stance is, “God doesnt care more about Republicans or Democrats he cares about them all the same”. Not sure I buy that it happens at, “pretty much every evangelical Church in the country”, but it sounds like were both taking anecdotal evidence.
Not every church. That may have been hyperbole. But, churches in the Portland area have to operate slightly different than churches in rural areas. And that stuff did happen. And since I was involved with the worship team, I traveled all around the western US and heard the same things. You ever watch the documentary "Jesus Camp"? My childhood was exactly like that.
My dad was a pastor in several churches growing up, until he resigned when I was 17. I spent a lot of time traveling around in different churches as well, I dont remember any pressure to vote one way or another. I was what most people considered a pretty hardcore atheist until I was 25, but thats not really important to this. Im 100% sure that some churches do in fact pressure their members to vote certain ways. Not sure if its, “most”, or what the percentages are. Just my experience has been different I suppose.
There are also soooooooo many different and slightly varying denominations. We may have circled in different types of churches.
Totally fair. That also means there are probably some that lean left. In the current state of affairs I seriously have a hard time understanding why a Christian would support Trump it doesnt make sense to me. Maybe thats the wrong terminology, theres a ton of reasons why someone would “vote” for someone but why so much of the evangelical right seems so infatuated with him, Im not sure. My guess is its because there was an R by his name and his anti abortion stances, but in terms of what Christians profess to believe in he stomps all over that everyday it seems like in my opinion anyways.
100% agree. But I've already stated this enough here. No need to write more about it and have the same people ignore it all over again. Haha
Honestly... It seems like there are a lot of people here who are just very angry at “Christians” and I understand it, because again my opinion but it seems really hypocritical to preach all this stuff is, “sin”, and try take the Bible and try to make arguments that certain laws need to be made because of what the Bible says especially when its just a means to legislate their version of morality, but then turn around and support someone who lies, cheats, sleeps with porn stars, all that stuff, like apparently all that stuff is actually ok. It just makes me sad though... anyways sorry I digress.
For the majority of my community, yes. For my siblings, and I, no. In fact, it was things like that that drove my sisters and I away from the church.
It's not ok for a Church to chime in about the "president" but it's ok for the fake christian "president" to fake bible thump at his rallies and on twitter? Ok, got it.
I've never heard the Trump supporters condemn his fake christianity. It's a double standard. But that's their thing, so whatever.
