<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Okay, so from reading this thread, this is what I got from the game(that I missed): Pau established a strong post presence in the beginning in the game. The Nets did their usual "double the post player no matter what, and let wing players make every 3 possible" strategy. Pau beat that by simply passing it out of the post, and letting his shooters do their jobs. And we lost.</p> So, basically, Collins really screwed up, and Frank simply made it worse.</p> </div></p> </p> Just to play Devil's laundromat:</p> (1) Not sure if you're implying that the nets only doubled Pau after Collins did a poor job in the first quarter, or that was their game plan all along. Even if true, the players don't make that sort of decision by themselves; that is Frank's call. Was this because Collins was playing poorly, or was it a preconceived plan? Regardless, you'd have to see if the nets played him any differently when Collins was in the game than when he was not in the game. Did the Nets not double him when Magloire or Sean Williams was defending Pau? Or did they just do a better job containing him when Collins was in the game?</p> (2) Even if all that is true, my back-of-the-envelope calculation seems to show that the nets outscored memphis when both Collins and Pau were in the game, so either Frank's doubling strategy worked; Collins did a good job; or some combination. Since the Nets lost, they either got hammered when someone other than Collins defended Pau, or when Pau wasn't in the game at all. So you've really got to pick your poison on this one.</p> (3) If you go back and watch the tape, instead of just crunching numbers, my GUESS is that the conclusion will be that even though Collins sucks at half the game, he's better than any alternative. Which is where we've been for awhile now.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Okay, so from reading this thread, this is what I got from the game(that I missed): Pau established a strong post presence in the beginning in the game. The Nets did their usual "double the post player no matter what, and let wing players make every 3 possible" strategy. Pau beat that by simply passing it out of the post, and letting his shooters do their jobs. And we lost.</p> So, basically, Collins really screwed up, and Frank simply made it worse.</p> </div></p> </p> Just to play Devil's laundromat:</p> (1) Not sure if you're implying that the nets only doubled Pau after Collins did a poor job in the first quarter, or that was their game plan all along. Even if true, the players don't make that sort of decision by themselves; that is Frank's call. Was this because Collins was playing poorly, or was it a preconceived plan? Regardless, you'd have to see if the nets played him any differently when Collins was in the game than when he was not in the game. Did the Nets not double him when Magloire or Sean Williams was defending Pau? Or did they just do a better job containing him when Collins was in the game?</p> (2) Even if all that is true, my back-of-the-envelope calculation seems to show that the nets outscored memphis when both Collins and Pau were in the game, so either Frank's doubling strategy worked; Collins did a good job; or some combination. Since the Nets lost, they either got hammered when someone other than Collins defended Pau, or when Pau wasn't in the game at all. So you've really got to pick your poison on this one.</p> (3) If you go back and watch the tape, instead of just crunching numbers, my GUESS is that the conclusion will be that even though Collins sucks at half the game, he's better than any alternative. Which is where we've been for awhile now.</p> </div></p> I see what you did there.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Okay, so from reading this thread, this is what I got from the game(that I missed): Pau established a strong post presence in the beginning in the game. The Nets did their usual "double the post player no matter what, and let wing players make every 3 possible" strategy. Pau beat that by simply passing it out of the post, and letting his shooters do their jobs. And we lost.</p> So, basically, Collins really screwed up, and Frank simply made it worse.</p> </div></p> </p> Just to play Devil's laundromat:</p> (1) Not sure if you're implying that the nets only doubled Pau after Collins did a poor job in the first quarter, or that was their game plan all along. Even if true, the players don't make that sort of decision by themselves; that is Frank's call. Was this because Collins was playing poorly, or was it a preconceived plan? Regardless, you'd have to see if the nets played him any differently when Collins was in the game than when he was not in the game. Did the Nets not double him when Magloire or Sean Williams was defending Pau? Or did they just do a better job containing him when Collins was in the game?</p> (2) Even if all that is true, my back-of-the-envelope calculation seems to show that the nets outscored memphis when both Collins and Pau were in the game, so either Frank's doubling strategy worked; Collins did a good job; or some combination. Since the Nets lost, they either got hammered when someone other than Collins defended Pau, or when Pau wasn't in the game at all. So you've really got to pick your poison on this one.</p> (3) If you go back and watch the tape, instead of just crunching numbers, my GUESS is that the conclusion will be that even though Collins sucks at half the game, he's better than any alternative. Which is where we've been for awhile now.</p> </div></p> </p> I really wish I watched the Memphis game, and even the Houston game...so I can figure out what really went wrong.</p> What I know for a fact is that Frank's strategy of double-teaming in the post almost never works. Cause, ya know, perimeter players not on the Nets can actually hit jumpers.</p>
The Memphis game was similar to the Toronto game...the Nets left the 3-point shooters wide open....andwhy are you still debating non-facts regarding Collins? I gave you my eye-witness account above which is contrary to the suggestion that his poor defense led to open perimeter shots; he was not primarily responsible for the Memphis loss.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I see what you did there.</p> </div></p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SpartanNJ)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> The Memphis game was similar to the Toronto game...the Nets left the 3-point shooters wide open....andwhy are you still debating non-facts regarding Collins? I gave you my eye-witness account above which is contrary to the suggestion that his poor defense led to open perimeter shots; he was not primarily responsible for the Memphis loss.</p> </div></p> </p> Wow...completely missed your post. My fault. I guess that makes sense, and Collins isn't as much at fault as I suspected. You and Dumpy are right.</p> Still, this doesn't change the fact that I hate the "double-team in the post and let shooters have their way" game plan Frank uses. And the fact that some perimeter defenders get lazy and let shooters get waaay too much space.</p>
