What are your beliefs on religion, god?

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  1. drexlersdad

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    meanwhile believers mock atheists

    kinda like "bushs fault" vs "if bush did this"
     
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    There is no place, anywhere that you can find absolute nothing. Even nothing is made of something.

    In a perfect vacuum, if you could find one, the vacuum itself is something.

    Specifically it is a balance of matter and antimatter that cancel each other out. The two can be separated, creating matter from "nothing" after all.
     
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    Trip tango!!! Missed ya man! Energy is matter. Without energy that can't happen. About your e=mc2
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    No. It sure would sound like a god though.
     
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    right, so whos to say "the creator" isnt an alien? seems like an advanced race would be able to do all those things

    no
     
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    And you realize none if this can be empirically proven, correct? I don't even agree with your methodology either or what "nothing" even. For me nothing is the absence of anything, and I think logic would agree on me with that.
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    No, both sides of the chart are the same thing. One is just colored pretty. The particles are coming from no where and making a spiral.
     
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    Particle accelerators, for one example. It takes ridiculous amounts of energy, though, and the particles produced don't last long. But it definitely happens.

    Of course, Mags was probably including energy in his question, so I was mostly teasing.
     
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    most astrophysicists would say it's likely they already existed. also most would say it has not been established that there was a singularity at all, and we won't be able to know what the big bang was until we understand quantum gravity.


    that was a lot of work for a straw man.
     
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    An alien? You mean like an alien within the universe and created by the universe or an alien with the properties of God being immaterial, eternal and omnipresent? So basically, God.



    yes
     
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    So what are you proving to me exactly?
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I drop him off at dog daycare tues and thursday. Mon, Wed, Fri gf comes home during lunch break to let him out. When his joints are fully grown, my fiancee will take him for an hour run in the morning, and I will take him on an hour run when I get home from work. He has already gone on two hikes in the gorge with us and will be joining me on another tomorrow.
     
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    Yep. In a particle accelerator, the smashed bits weigh more than the thing smashed.

    But to say it happens all the time is maybe misleading?

    And e=mc^2 is an equivalence between MASS and energy.
     
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    Yeah -- a little bird told me that folks were taking a break from arguing about basketball and finally getting back on topic. :D

    And yeah, I knew what you meant. Just playin, yo!
     
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    Most would say there was not a singularity at all? Please provide your sources.

    Then why should we believe any of it?




    more baseless rhetoric
     
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    whos to say god is all of those things? the bible? the bible is media, yesteryears fox news.

    boiling it down to "faith" and all can be explained, because you "just know"...cant really take that seriously
     
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    In about 6mos to a year from now PM me and I'll get you the name of a Blue Heeler rescue group who will place your dog in a nice sheep farm in eastern Oregon.
     
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    most are agnostic.


    any of what? science isn't claiming to know what happened. you are the one who is doing that.

    no, scientists don't think what exists came from 'nothing' in the sense you mean. that's a straw man. denny is correct on that - there's no evidence 'nothing' in the sense it is used in religious first-cause arguments is even a meaningful concept.
     
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    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/09/970918045841.htm


    And it's not just scientists playing with photons -- there's reason to believe this process takes place in certain stars as well.

    Of course, in an infinite universe, we can assume there's an infinite number of particle accelerators producing an infinite number of electrons and positrons so that an infinite number of TripTangos can tease an infinite number of magnifiers...
     
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