Wait a minute man! You claim there was no beginning yet you agree with Big Bang! That was the starting point of the universe. And I've clearly read in previous posts that you did believe there is nothing if you believe in the Big Bang. There was a point when all the matter of the universe was confined into a smaller area of nothingness.
Because he is not god. It also points out that it was inspired by god and told in third person. Further evidence that Moses wasn't the author. Even if made up; it was intended to be written by god.
Question: If time as we know it actually began WITH the Big Bang (not saying this is demonstrably true, just hypothetically speaking), was there ever a "time" at which the universe didn't exist?
Trixster!!!!!! Your fishing line just broke brother! LOL The Universe had a "Matter, Time and Space" start time; because that can be recorded. But as I already said, God is absent of this construct; so he existed eternally. Therefor when the universe didn't exist; time didn't exist.
Exactly. So it wasn't, in fact, written by a former slave? Or a sheepherder? It's been a long time since my high school Scripture classes, but if I recall correctly, the OT was passed on via oral history for generations before it was ever transcribed. Why must we assume that illiterate sheepherders were the only ones responsible? The ancient Hebrews had scholars, leaders, and wise men -- they weren't all the prehistorical equivalents of rural hicks. Even the NT was, in general, written down LONG after the events they describe took place. Are you telling me that, objectively speaking, you find it inconceivable that whoever did write them down might have heard news from distant places at one point or another? If there are specific examples that you'd like to point out here, please do.
I believe what the evidence shows. There's no reason my belief can't evolve as the evidence becomes more refined. What is certain is the evidence doesn't show a Creator of any kind.
But you are flip flopping in this thread alone. First you say there is no such thing as nothingness, then explained that mass has always existed, then adopted te Big Bang; which contradicts your statement that there is no such thing as nothingness. So when all the mass in the universe was confined into a dense mass; what was the area around that mass?
They sure did and only foretold about the surrounding area in which they resided. There is no summarian historical evidence that talked about civilizations thousands of miles away from their area and hundreds of years before.
http://www.space.com/13347-big-bang-origins-universe-birth.html Traditional Big Bang theory posits that our universe began with a singularity — a point of infinite density and temperature whose nature is difficult for our minds to grasp. However, this may not accurately reflect reality, researchers say, because the singularity idea is based on Einstein's theory of general relativity. "The problem is, there's no reason whatsoever to believe general relativity in that regime," said Sean Carroll, a theoretical physicist at Caltech. "It's going to be wrong, because it doesn't take into account quantum mechanics. And quantum mechanics is certainly going to be important once you get to that place in the history of the universe." So the very beginning of the universe remains pretty murky. Scientists think they can pick the story up at about 10 to the minus 36 seconds — one trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second — after the Big Bang.
You're going to need to get specific -- what references, exactly, do you find so amazing in the Bible?
Well that makes me feel much better. Reading this thread; there was a lot of certainty. Guess that's not the case eh?
Not so! I've always acknowledged the questions for which science has no answers. Science is a wonderful tool, but there are countless important questions that it can't even touch.
