What are your beliefs on religion, god?

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  1. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Because you don't know the answer now, doesn't mean the answer can't be known.
     
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    Then you should probably stop buying gas. The Brotherhood is just posturing. They are peanuts compared to the Wahabbis in Saudi Arabia.
     
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    Obviously, if you don't know the answer now, the answer is 'god did it'...
     
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    Most of the audience aren't trained to see past the trees brother. You sometimes need to explain things in a simple way for most the audience to understand. I can break apart a ton of Dawkins writings when he tries to dumb it down for his readers. What makes this any different?
     
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    Yes God created the universe ex-nihilo, but He is not a part of the universe He created. That means we could point to ourselves and call ourselves God, which is what some people do. But God created us and all that is around us separately from Himself but He is in and throughought in Spirit.
     
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    Huh?
     
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    I'm open on your take on how something that can't be infinite is always there. Doesn't have to be god did it yo!!!

    It seems that when a Christian actually brings up something to think about; the atheists just use sarcasm and condescending words.
     
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    on the contrary it's exactly why i think he IS. he's a really smart dude using pitifully weak arguments - winning debates and selling books by pandering to the unintelligent.


    i agree.

    as i said almost nobody in philosophy or science takes him seriously or cares much what he says. all of his arguments are actually quite basic and easily refuted by grade school students.
     
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    I disagree because the moment we are saved we be one one with god. I believe in the trinity. God the father, son and Holy Spirit. We have the Holy Spirit in us; therefor we have god in us
     
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    Better and more logical than 'nothing did it', especially when given the evidence.
     
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    We are one with God in that we are children of God, but we are not a part of God. God is infinitely transcendent from us.
     
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    no, you are apparently misinformed about the positions of science.
     
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    That has everything to do with matter being created. His argument that, nothing can't create something, and yet there was no matter, and now there is matter.
     
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  15. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    As far as I can tell, this isn't an analogy, he's trying to make a reasoned argument about why god exists.
     
  16. Eastoff

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    So you deny the christian belief in the holy spirit?
     
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    Question... With what we know now; can matter be created from non matter?
     
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    What happened 13.7 billion years ago according to most secular modern scientific beliefs? Did the raw materials for that singularity create themselves, or were they created and by something beyond them? If it came from nothing, why can't God come from nothing? I don't believe it, but I'd say that is much more reasonable given what we see and observe. No one has yet to show how something can come from nothing and give empirical evidence for it. People throw out wild rhetorics and baseless theories to attempt to escape the implications of these crucial truths, but they are just asking you to believe it by blind faith no more than you claim religious people do. In fact more so, because it goes against all logic and evidence there is actually more evidence historically and scientifically that Christianity is true.
     
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    Nope.
     
  20. Eastoff

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    Science describes something that transcends matter (pair production), time (general relativity) and space (general relativity and expansion of space at an accelerated rate). That is not god.
     

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