What Has The 'Christ' Done For You?

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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Wait so your argument for bones and burial sights aren't valid anymore? Painting?! Lmao! There are paintings of Zeus too. Start praying to Olympus bro! Haha
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Dude don't get bent because you failed. I still love you man
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Like the fossil record and the moon landing and Rand Paul, god planted those things to separate the believers from the unbelievers. In reality, the earth is only six days old.

    barfo
     
  4. Denny Crane

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    Three ministers were talking over lunch and before long found themselves discussing how much of the weekly donations was appropriate to keep and how much to give to the Lord. The first minister says, “I just draw a line on the floor, put one foot on both sides, and throw the money into the air... whatever lands on the right side of the line is God’s and whatever lands on the left is mine.” The second minister notes that he uses a similar method, but “I use a small coffee table when I throw the money in the air and whatever lands on the table goes to the Lord and whatever lands on the floor is mine.” They both contemplate each other’s answer and finally turn to the third minister who is sitting there without saying anything. “Well, how do you do it?” asks the first to the third. “Well, I do as you both do and throw the money into the air, but I figure whatever the Lord wants, he’ll grab, and I keep whatever hits the floor.”
     
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    You won't admit you're wrong.

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    Are you talking to yourself again?
     
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    what is he wrong about? ill be the mediator
     
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    The Pew poll being an indicator of religions' popularity.
     
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    not following
     
  10. Denny Crane

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    Does the most popular religion mean it's "God" is the right one? There are so many of them, Hindu, Buddhist, Allah, Jewish Jehova, and so on.

    He points to a PEW poll of USA showing 74% are Christians. World wide, the number of christians is less than 1/3, or ~2B out of 7B people world wide. The latter, world-wide is the truth when it comes to which religion is most popular, no?

    All these religions have their own take, and suckers buy into one or another for whatever reason.

    Beyond that, is popularity even an indication that the god of that religion is the actual true one (there isn't a true one, but we humor them).
     
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    See my edit above.
     
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    Evidence for the existence of the historical Jesus is not evidence for the existence of God. Most atheists believe the man Jesus probably existed.
     
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    i think he meant popular in the high school sense

    like jesus bangs all the cheerleaders
     
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    Yeah, that's it, because it wasn't right in any other sense.
     
  15. MarAzul

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    Ha! Next! You forgot YHVH.

    Jesus wrote nothing, the man had disciples, they wrote quite a bit.
    Then there was Moses, he wrote several book (Torah) , some of which grace the Supreme Court of the United States.

    Read and Learn.
     
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    No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.

    Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a witness' own knowledge.

    Courts of law do not generally allow hearsay as testimony, and nor does honest modern scholarship. Hearsay does not provide good evidence, and therefore, we should dismiss it.

    If you do not understand this, imagine yourself confronted with a charge for a crime which you know you did not commit. You feel confident that no one can prove guilt because you know that there exists no evidence whatsoever for the charge against you. Now imagine that you stand present in a court of law that allows hearsay as evidence. When the prosecution presents its case, everyone who takes the stand against you claims that you committed the crime, not as a witness themselves, but solely because they claim other people said so. None of these other people, mind you, ever show up in court, nor can anyone find them.

    Hearsay does not work as evidence because we have no way of knowing whether the person lied, or simply based his or her information on wrongful belief or bias. We know from history about witchcraft trials and kangaroo courts that hearsay provides neither reliable nor fair statements of evidence. We know that mythology can arise out of no good information whatsoever. We live in a world where many people believe in demons, UFOs, ghosts, or monsters, and an innumerable number of fantasies believed as fact taken from nothing but belief and hearsay. It derives from these reasons why hearsay cannot serves as good evidence, and the same reasoning must go against the claims of a historical Jesus or any other historical person.

    Authors of ancient history today, of course, can only write from indirect observation in a time far removed from their aim. But a valid historian's own writing gets cited with sources that trace to the subject themselves, or to eyewitnesses and artifacts. For example, a historian today who writes about the life of George Washington, of course, can not serve as an eyewitness, but he can provide citations to documents which give personal or eyewitness accounts. None of the historians about Jesus give reliable sources to eyewitnesses, therefore all we have remains as hearsay.
     
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    Pick up the history book. I'm using history instead of bible. Secularists respond to the man made term better.

    Jesus is God in the flesh. That's it. God is the creator of the universe you live in. If God is powerful enough to give you the ability to process your next thought to my reply. Isnt he powerful enough to manifest himself in the flesh?
     
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    For the win. Slam dunk. Well said.

    Quite right.
     
  19. MarAzul

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    It's rather weird that you expect anyone to believe what you say Denny. The Jews, Christians and Muslims all agree on the God of Abraham (as the Muslims say) being The God.
    They do differ on whether Jesus is God, a prophet to the Jews and Muslims, but they do not differ that he existed.

    I do not know that the Hindus are speaking of a different God, I do know that their writings are of a different time. It is very curious, the parallels of Christ and Krishna, different times
    but very similar.

    I do not know that the Buddhist are speaking of a different God, but again different times and the message of Buddha is not very different than that of Jesus. Teaching men to
    be forgiving and mindful of their business rather than someone else's affairs.

    Read my man, there is much you could learn.
     
  20. Denny Crane

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    Here comes the duh moment.

    If there's the one God, and his word is the gospel, why is there any need for 3 bibles and three radically different religions? They describe three very different gods: one vengeful, one with a son and holy ghost, and one that can be fooled by evil.

    It's totally believable that people who didn't know science might think an accidentally started fire was the work of some mystic being and that there were clever people who played the rest as suckers by playing up on the mystic being thing.

    And here we are, not getting it that the fire was started by lightning during a drought.
     

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