What if I told you no one is going to hell?

Unless of course that universe is impossible

 

Right, but why would it be? Every choice involves a probability that we do the right thing or wrong thing. That universe is "just" the product of all the probabilities that we do the right thing across every possible choice we make. Indescribably tiny, but not necessarily zero.

 

It's possible. What do you feel the flaw in my conception of omnipotence might be?

 

Remember that I am using the push pull theory?

 

Yes, but all of this arose from me questioning you about it. What's the benefit of "balance" if we could theoretically have free will and no evil choices? (The above stuff was my explanation for how we could have both.)

 

I'm not following you. Omnipotence, by definition, sets the scope...no boundaries, all-encompassing.

 

That's only semipotent, if you're limiting yourself to mammals (pretty much the easiest ones).

 

Well, I'm going by Christian doctrine (as I have heard it) that god is omnipotent. The word has a specific meaning. If you're saying that Christians use the word differently, perhaps you could explain what "omnipotence" means within Christianity.

 

Easier, as a mammal yourself, than getting a spider pregnant. Or a snake. Seriously, on a relative basis, limiting yourself to the same class of animal that you, yourself, are is basically shooting fish in a barrel (of course, I don't mean that metaphorically...you can't impregnate fish, for all your claims of omnipotence).

 

Well, I assumed that all of these discussions were under the implicit assumption that we could have flawed understanding. From my perspective, we don't know if there is a god or not, we don't know if Christianity is right about god if even if there is a god, and even if Christianity is correct, god would still be largely unknowable for humans.

I'm simply investigating the philosophical implications that interest me, like whether free will and perfection (moral or otherwise) are mutually exclusive. Logically, I would say they are not, but it's certainly another question worth consideration as to whether god has the power to implement both. Though that's not really a question we can investigate.

 

If we are looking at the Christian philosophy, that time hasn't come yet, but God has devised this universe or "Heaven".

I guess we all should be more specific in our conversation.

 

And in Christian philosophy, maybe God's omnipotence is in play here? What if obtaining a sinless free will world must go through the process and growing pains of sin and acceptance of those sins?

And God knew this all along

 

Breaking a bit away from Christian theology, there is another philosophical theory of "levels of consciousness". In this theory man must walk up a staircase of consciousness to evolve into a war free moral state. That in process, there is wars, murders and what have you which adds wisdom to the consciousness.

Basically, do it wrong thousands of times and eventually you will find the right answer.