Politics What if it turns out the other side was right?

I don't bet on anything. But this is an exception.

Back up your rhetoric with dollars.

I was saying that for one second I don't believe that he wasn't completely aware and in on it.

 

Yeah, except for the that it allegedly happened right before going into the meeting and then immediately after the meeting from what I recall reading. Coincidental? I don't think so. It may be circumstantial evidence but adding everything together makes it in the highly likely category that jr was letting daddy know what was going on. Trump doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that isn't in the middle of what his kids are doing.

 

What rhetoric, my opinion, my guess?

 

Smocking gums can be a real pain, lol.

 

Really??? The link says crude oil etc. Did you even click it?

It was well known that McCain/Palin were talking about gas prices. Did you vote for that shitshow of a ticket?

Start drilling offshore, McCain says
Presidential candidate, in move that may place him at odds with environmentalists, will propose ending ban on offshore drilling to offset soaring gas prices.

(CNN) -- Sen. John McCain on Tuesday will propose lifting the ban on offshore drilling as part of his plan to reduce dependence on foreign oil and help combat rising gas prices.

"The stakes are high for our citizens and for our economy, and with gasoline running at more than four bucks a gallon, many do not have the luxury of waiting on the far-off plans of futurists and politicians," McCain will say Tuesday in Houston, Texas, according to excerpts of his speech released by his campaign.

"We have proven oil reserves of at least 21 billion barrels in the United States. But a broad federal moratorium stands in the way of energy exploration and production. And I believe it is time for the federal government to lift these restrictions and to put our own reserves to use."

McCain's plan would let individual states decide whether to explore drilling possibilities.

The proposal could put McCain at odds with environmentalists who say it doesn't fit in with his plans to combat global warning. California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a McCain ally, is also opposed to offshore drilling.

Florida Gov. Charlie Crist had expressed opposition exploring the coastal waters, but he said this week he supports McCain's plan to lift the moratorium and would not rule out letting his state choose to drill offshore.

"It's the last thing in the world I'd like to do, but I also understand what people are paying at the pump, and I understand the drag it is on our economy," Crist told the St. Petersburg Times. "Something has to be done in a responsible, pragmatic way."

The current law, which has been in effect since 1981, covers most of the country's coastal waters.

Many officials from coastal states oppose offshore drilling because of the risk of oil spills that can spoil beaches. Environmentalists want offshore drilling to stop to protect the oceans from further pollution.

"The next president must be willing to break with the energy policies not just of the current administration, but the administrations that preceded it, and lead a great national campaign to achieve energy security for America," McCain will say Tuesday.

McCain on Monday mentioned the possibility of incentives for states that choose to permit exploration off their coasts, adding that "exploration is a step toward the longer-term goal."

Tuesday's discussion marks the first in a series of talks about America's energy security that McCain will hold during the next two weeks as he lays out his plan to reduce the country's dependence on foreign oil.

McCain does oppose drilling in some wilderness regions and says those areas must be left undisturbed.

"When America set aside the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, we called it a 'refuge' for a reason," he will say.

McCain on Tuesday also will criticize the energy policy of rival Barack Obama.

"He says that high oil prices are not the problem, but only that they rose too quickly. He's doesn't support new domestic production. He doesn't support new nuclear plants. He doesn't support more traditional use of coal, either," McCain will say.

"So what does Sen. Obama support in energy policy? Well, for starters he supported the energy bill of 2005 - a grab-bag of corporate favors that I opposed. And now he supports new taxes on energy producers. He wants a windfall profits tax on oil, to go along with the new taxes he also plans for coal and natural gas. If the plan sounds familiar, it's because that was President Jimmy Carter's big idea too - and a lot of good it did us," he will say.

McCain will argue that a windfall profits tax will only increase the country's dependence on foreign oil and be an obstacle to domestic exploration.

"I'm all for recycling -- but it's better applied to paper and plastic than to the failed policies of the 1970's," he will say.

Obama on Tuesday blasted McCain for changing his stance on offshore drilling.

"John McCain's support of the moratorium on offshore drilling during his first presidential campaign was certainly laudable, but his decision to completely change his position and tell a group of Houston oil executives exactly what they wanted to hear today was the same Washington politics that has prevented us from achieving energy independence for decades," he said in a written statement.

"It's another example of short-term political posturing from Washington, not the long-term leadership we need to solve our dependence on oil," he said.

Obama said a windfall profits tax would ease the burden of energy costs on working families. He also wants to invest in affordable, renewable energy sources.

 

Then McCain n'em did this shit to make fun of Obama...



Knowing goddamn well drilling doesn't do anything to the price of oil AND that keeping your tires properly inflated does conserve fuel.

 

Drill baby drill was sold to the right wing as something that would reduce the price at the pump.

They should've gone on Maury...

 

Like this post @bodyman5000 and 1... This McCain ad is literally named "pump"...

 

What did you tag me for? I'd vote for Obama over McCain and PALIN 10 out of 10 elections.

I'd also tax huge SUVs an extra 50 percent.

 

Above it seemed like you agreed with the claim that McCain/Palin were talking about oil independence and not gas prices. It was certainly all about gas prices.

 

Oh man. Confused the fuck out of me. I've only posted three times... Now I see it is because I "liked" a post. This part is why

" I would even go so far as to say that those who want America out of all middle east wars should want the same thing; the tired "we're protecting American interests overseas" excuse for being militarily involved in Iraq and Afghanistan wouldn't hold any water if we were capable of meeting all our energy needs via domestic production. It's a pipe dream (pun intended), I know, but go ahead and call me a dreamer"

 

Why can't you blame one side? It seems perfectly appropriate for blaming Hitler and the Germans for what happened to the Jews in WWII.

 

Because this is in no way comparable to what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews. Pretty simple. Extreme example.

 

A comparison doesn't have to be the same. It merely needs to have a connection cippy.

 

1 + 1 = 2 is in no way comparable to 1,000,000 + 1,000,000 = 2,000,000 in precisely the same way yet the comparison is inescapable. You've got to look at the logic and not the details. Besides, using Trump logic, you didn't define division in that way. You said You can't blame division of one person. I'll assume that the Jews and the Nazis were involved in a serious division and that by one person you meant one entity.

 

Trump logic? I am in no way a trump supporter yet you and the same people here keep saying I am despite anything I have said about it. Comparing nazi Germany to trump? Come on. That’s extreme. The dude isn’t Hitler. He’s a bad president who doesn’t help anything when it comes to division in this country but that’s aboit it. People over react to everything trump does. That has led to people being over dramatic, for example the comparison between trump and nazi Germany you have made.

Division has existed in this country before trump. It’s never been good. The only time this country didn’t feel divided was when 9/11 happened because everybody was focused on terrrorists and the bigger picture of the country. There was a threat and much loss and people came together. Ever since trump has become president people have lost their minds over it. Making outrageous claims and blanket statements about the rest of the country. Generalizations, etc. it’s really not that bad. It’s not good but it’s not as bad as it’s being made out to be. Trump will finish out the four years and then the pendulum will swing left and then you will have the right going insane over that president while the left is happy. It’s just how it goes. People are creating the division. Not the president regardless of what president it is. Obama didn’t create the birth certificate drama. The right did. It’s just the reaction. People will settle down and stop screaming on twitter or wherever else once the next election hits and it’s a Democrat.

 

Whoa, I never said you were a Trump supporter. I didn't even think it. It was just my crack at that chump.
Nobody called you an asshole but if somebody did, I'll bet you'd respond. And who could blame you? Not me.