What if Thibs is available?

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  1. Rastapopoulos

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    Since when did trading coaches become a thing? I can't wait for the first actual coach-for-coach trade.
     
  2. Denny Crane

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    http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...-Contract-With-Bulls-Contains-Offset-Language

    Thibodeau's contract contain offset language, meaning the Bulls' financial commitment would be "offset" by the amount he would make if hired by another team.
     
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    Well thanks I stand corrected, I guess its a case by case scenario.
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I got curious to see what the deal is and found that. I also just found this:

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/stor...increasing-consideration-firing-tom-thibodeau

    The reality, sources say, is that the Bulls believe there is little chance they would have to pay that whole amount, since league rules on coaching contracts would inevitably see that figure reduced by set-off provisions once Thibodeau lands a new job.
     
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    Not sure. Knicks got draft picks way back when Riley went to the Heat. Heat got a 2nd round pick when Stan Van Gundy went to the Magic. Doc a couple years ago. I think there have been others.
     
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    I'd love to see him sign for $1 somewhere. Problem is he'll probably get offered 2x what he made with the Bulls which is way better for him than to stick it to the owner.
     
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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    Pops hit on Peter Holt's wife.

    Book it.
     
  8. Rastapopoulos

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    Someone on twitter suggested he sign a contract with a really low first year that then expands. That way the Bulls would be paying most of it the first year.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if the boilerplate coaching contract template is available via the WWW. Some lawyer type (not me, I only play one on TV) might be able to tell us if that's legit.

    I'd love to see it, as I said.

    $1 first year, $18M the 2nd.
     
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    This is what is on the Hoopshype page......Jeff Van Gundy and New Orleans officials met in the Bay Area to discuss the Pelicans' head coach opening, according to Yahoo! Sports ... Bulls close to firing Tom Thibodeau? ... Hawks confident about chances of keeping both Paul Millsap and DeMarre Carroll .
     
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    Stotts? With assurance Aldridge isn't returning? I had heard a rumor a month or so ago on radio of Allen having his eye on a college coach, but then never saw a mention of it anywhere, so assumed they were false.

    Really, don't think at all is be stotts. Rivers? McHale once this series is done?
     
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    Cleveland. Book it.
     
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    As for the whole Thibbs things, this girl I have gone out with a few times is a huge Bullz fan. She's adamant that he needs to go for the team to move on and grow and to change their identity and to catch up with today's NBA. Honestly I am not 100% sold on Stotts anymore, but I am not sure I would let him go simply to replace him with Thibbs at this point. Thibbs is certainly a good coach, but after watching both the Spurs and now the Dubs cream the NBA back to back with ultra modern and balanced offenses, including a defensive juggernaut like Memphis, I am just not sold that a defense first philosophy in today's modern NBA is what wins. The grass is not always greener on the other side, check out how more Bullz fans feel to get a larger sample size.

    This is stream of consciousness, but the last team I can think of that won an NBA title on having an identity as purely a defensive juggernaut was the Celtics with KG, Pierce, and Allen. In today's modern NBA, starting especially with the Mavs back a few years ago (2011?) , it seems like modern offenses that focus on spreading the floor with shooters, shooting lots of 3's, and fluid ball movement is what wins. The Dubs, Spurs, Blazers, Houston, Mavs, Clips, and hell even the Hawks are more or less proving this point, and one of the masterminds behind this current logic was and is Terry Stotts. Obvious D'Antoni really started the trend with Phoenix back with Nash and co, but it really was validated by none other than Carlisle's coaching staff in 2011 with that sharp shooting Mavs team on a mission from God; and then again in 2014 with Pops and another Texas team on a mission from God.

    The major thing that kills me though that I can see as a major difference philosophically between Portland's offense and say Golden States' (aside from Stephen Curry being involved) is that the Dubs shoot far far earlier in the shot clock. Far too often do I hear Terry yelling "Five, Four, Three.." then a jacked up shot goes up in desperation, and it's almost always rushed and not a clean look. What makes Golden States' offense just so lethal is that they have been coached to shoot at any clean look they get, and frankly they have an amazing point guard that can make that happen. That is a luxury, but we're only a year or two removed from Portland playing a much more similar style of ball to that than they did this year.

    I am not sure what changed, but I remember early in the season last year, and even this year to a lesser extent, the Blazers played far more loose and they would play similar to how Golden State plays now. I am not sure if it is/was confidence, Wes getting hurt, Batum playing like ass this year, or Dame getting trapped more, or some combination of all of those reasons, but either way we need to get back to shooting earlier in the shot clock when we have an open uncontested shot. I read an article on this and statistically it is absolutely mind blowing how much of a difference it makes to do this, and I think it will be the next big trend in the NBA. Watch the Warriors and watch just how often they shoot unguarded, wide open shots within the first 7 seconds of the shot clock, it's quite surprising. I think Kerr along with Curry have really mastered this particular trade and have blazed a path that will lead to others attempting to mimic this style of basketball.
     
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    The Warriors were #1 in DRtg.

    The Bulls were 10th in ORtg. Up from 30th or 29th last season.

    FWIW
     
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    And, he's out.

     
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    Wow, that press release is fascinating.

    Sounds to me like Jerry is basically saying that management tried to give input regarding whom to play and how to coach, and Thibs didn't want to hear it.
     
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    Wow. Bets on where he ends up? Would you really fire Stotts for him? I dunno. I like him a lot but that would be a shitty thing to do to Stotts, who has done well. I guess it's all on what LA wants.
     
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    As Denny points out, the Warriors have THE BEST DEFENSE IN THE NBA. And the Cavs have got to the finals by stepping up their defense. And the team that has given the Warriors their only real resistance in these playoffs has been Memphis.

    Granted San Antonio's defense hasn't been as great recently as in the past, but it was still pretty damn good last year.

    I think the Bulls' problem has been under-talent, not under-coach.
     
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    Fuck what LMA wants - do what's best for the TEAM.
    Thibs would be an upgrade. Whether he's enough of an upgrade is unknown, but an upgrade is better than nothing.
     
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