What if we trade nobody?

Man this place is gonna blow their collective minds if no one is traded. Ill grab some popcorn. lol.

 

This is like comparing Brandon Roy to Dame......

Injuries not even close to the same.

 

You didn't watch the Ant interview, did you? Coaches are coaches and yes can be mentors, but they are not on the court. I think if you look back in history, most good to great players had someone in their young days on the court they were able to learn from. Brogdon has stated publicly he wants to and is helping Scoot watching film, explaining things, etc.
This is such an undervalued commodity by some...

People acting as if if Trade Malcom, we are going to be contenders and if not we will wallow in the lottery for every or something. He will have value in the summer or at next trade deadline. In danger of walking AFTER that, but we have a year to trade him. Not 5 days....The mentorship, in my opinion, could very well be more valuable then the perceived diminished return we would get by keeping him one more year.

We have a 24 yr old guard. We have a 21 year old guard. We have a 19 year old guard. The toughest mental position in the game. Malcom offsets that youth with experience and consistency and I find that valuable.

I'm fine trading him if the return is great, but if not, I do not see the point. To get a first and another young prospect? We have enough young prospects.

 

I don't think the goals is to help other teams though? That would not be my priority in wanting to make a trade. I would consider that irrelevant. Whats best for the BLAZERS. A little larger return or some veteran stability in a position riddles with youth?

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that those who want to/will be upset if we don't trade Malcom and/or Grant by this deadline, are going to be pissed at the return if we do....

Happens alot around here...

 

We might have replacements on the roster right now. Jerami was a second round pick in his draft, Tou and Bari have already shown a lot. I would like to get back one more forward prospect in one of these trades but I don't think it's a deal breaker.

Neither of these guys should be dumped and we shouldn't hold onto either of them until they're only worth dumping. Both guys should have a good return now. I think you're right on the money with Malcolm getting us a future first round pick and expirings and Jerami getting us two FRPs with expirings. If we take on bad contracts instead of expirings the draft compensation goes up and if we get promising prospects the draft compensation would go down.

The fact is there is a market out there and if Joe can't generate trades for guys with the obvious value these two have, he is most likely incompetent at making trades. That would come from his lack of being able to make any trades besides for Jerami that added to a roster that made sense around Dame along with this. That or Joe wants to straddle the line between a rebuild and whatever the fuck we're doing and that would be equally discouraging. For those who say it takes two to tango, I've heard it too many fucking times with this guy and his previous boss. Somehow good GMs find one dance partner out of 30 when they want to make a trade.

 

One of the things you need to remember is that generative AI, at the moment, has a big issue - which is that it is frozen in time for when it was last built. You can not continuously update the data-model that was already built, you need a brand new training session.

That's why they tell you what the training date is for each model. For example, ChatGPT 4 cut-off day is January 2022. So, any new data since is not part of the training model.

As to why the lag so much? I have been to a couple of lectures with people that work or worked there and in other AI companies, at the moment, the cost to train a large scale LLM model like ChatGPT is in the tens of millions of dollars. IIRC, the cost to train ChatGPT 4 was around $50 million USD...

We have been doing our own machine learning work for some time now on a much smaller scale for a very specific application - and we are basically updating our model about once a year, it just costs a lot of money.

 

I don't think we will trade Brogdan for this very reason (but you can ask my wife: I'm often wrong).

 

I disagree. We do not have enough young prospects, IMO.

We still need more talent. We can bring in mentors later. If we can improve talent wise I hope we trade Brogdon.

 

the robots think Jae Crowder can still ball. Obviously the T-1000's didn't watch the Blazers/Bucks game. Scoot and Duop had Crowder playing flat footed, then retrieving the ball from the net. Followed by lightly jogging into bricked 3 pointers.

a Udonis Haslem motivational huddle therapist could be in Crowder's future? Having Jae actively participating against younger & faster bench guys is not helping the Bucks.

 

We have picks to continue to search for that needed talent(which I was including in young prospects). So you want to trade a talented Brogdon for more talent? The reason most want to trade him is to improve the tank. How does trading him for improved talent do that?

Between all our current young guys and our picks coming up, I think that's enough prospects for the moment.

Veteran stability is soo undervalued around here. I just don't get it.

 

That may be a problem, I am not sure Brogdon will bring back more talent where we need help. He will bring back a future late 1st at best. Not a young wing. Which is not horrible if the goal is to feel good about the final return for Dame.

I wonder if we need to add a 1st to get a young wing that we may covet?

 

If we get a more talented, younger player and that helps us win that's fine.

Ideally we'd use those future picks to help build on an already competing team.

I'm not really interested in waiting until 2028 to start getting better.

 

No disrespect to Dame's defensive prowess, but I don't think any amount of money could have solved that issue. We see it now when he plays next to a defensive beast and good drop-coverage bigs to protect his back in Milwaukee...

Also, my bad for trying to give a proper answer to a joke question...

 

I'd take a good pick this or next year in exchange for Brogdon. Something like the Warriors pick.

I don't expect us to have Brogdon more than a year or so, and his max value is right now.

 

The phrase "on a rebuilding roster" can have a few flavors as to what it means. Fans opinions seem to follow one of two basic paths:
1. Trade vets whose skills may result in too many wins and take too much playing time for draft picks and expendable guys on short contracts. Stick in the lottery long enough to assemble enough young talent to eventually contend.
2. Draft a few young guys with as much talent as possible, but keep some quality vets around because they're useful in developing the rookies and it can be hard to replace them in small market destinations like Portland.
My take from reading the forum is that the fans in these two groups don't often give the opposing viewpoint much credence. Rebuilds can go on for decades if the right draft picks aren't made. Many fans don't have the stomach for watching their team stink for years. Quitting the lottery before enough talent is obtained can result in continual mediocrity. Some view mediocrity as a bigger failure than continually being in the lottery seeking that next big talent.

I think we fans can throw around comments about the GM and staff not knowing what they're doing if they don't move in the direction that we see is the correct one. We have the luxury of not having any real skin in the game. If the owners don't like losing money and don't see progress being made, GMs are shown the door pretty quickly and the next slick talker moves in.

I've posted enough here that I think most of you know that I tend to support the second option. I think that there is value in guys like Brogdon and Grant being on the team to assist in developing young players and to keep fan interest up by providing at least occasional enjoyable wins against better teams. I think that when the decision is made that sufficient young talent has been acquired, having established vets already on the roster can shorten the time to contention. I guess only Cronin and his staff know how they're going to play this trade deadline situation. I just hope that if the decision is to move any of the vets, the return is something that helps in getting out of the rebuild mode sooner rather than later.