Zombie What is the Best Offer We Could Get for C.J. McCollum?

So I actually was looking at that a week ago. I was thinking of a three way trade with Phoenix though.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7wzrm9k

Phoenix gets a young stud point guard and some other young talent.

Philly gets a reliable scoring wing.

Portland gets a young prototypical shooting guard who can shoot, a scoring power forward who can stretch the floor, and a couple of vets to round out their bench.

Dame/Bazz
Booker/Redick
Turner/Aminu
Saric/Collins
Nurk/Chandler

 

C'mon this Never happen

 

I think Philly might just take booker, and not have to include the rest of the pieces. And I don't see phoenix trading Booker for fultz.

 

are you even serious wow

 

I think Booker will be an All-Star within 3 years. Even in the tough (to get in) Western Conference.

 

I think in the entire history of this forum maybe one or two trades have ever had people say "yup every team gets a good deal in that trade!"

And there's always people who are like "wow that's a shitty trade!"

And yet.... Boogie Cousins gets dealt for Buddy Hield, Tyreke Evans, Langston Galloway and a couple picks.

Carmelo Anthony gets dealt for Enes Kanter, Dour McDermott and a 2nd round pick.

Jimmy Butler gets dealt for Zach LaVine, Kris Dunn, and a pick.

Crazy trades happen. They happen all the time. We got Nurk AND a pick for Mason Plumlee. So would the Suns trade Booker for Fultz? I guess that depends on whether Phoenix thinks Fultz is a future superstar point guard.

 

I think this is right on. I'd also add that if you're in the mindset "this core isn't going to win any titles, time to dismantle it and start over" (I know that isn't what some are saying), you're going to get locked into decades of terrible basketball, because very few cores are likely to win titles. The Warriors themselves didn't look like they had a championship core, despite having all the key players for their first title, as recently as 2013-14. If they had torn it down (or even just dealt one of their guards), they may never have emerged as what they are. (Some may argue the Warriors did do this earlier, with Monta Ellis--but that was different, IMO. At the time, they didn't really have a promising core and they traded Ellis for a better player in Bogut--they were just willing to take on some risk in terms of Bogut's health. They weren't trying to restart, that was still an incremental build move. If you want to advocate trading McCollum for Cousins, taking on the risk of his expiring contract and attitude, I'd see that as similar, though you'd need to figure out what to do with Nurkic. )

I'm not, in any way, suggesting Portland is in 2013 Golden State's position. I don't think that. But title contenders are built incrementally. Trading McCollum for draft picks/prospects is essentially bailing on this core for a very unlikely shot at a higher-ceiling future. That seems short-sighted to me when we just saw how things could change very quickly. If Nurkic had been what he appeared to be last season, this core would have looked a lot better--even as is, he's led a big defensive turnaround. If he were still a major offensive force, Portland would be contending for a #3 seed, IMO. When you fly that high in a top-heavy conference, you're just a "normal weird thing" (like an injury, a suspension, etc) away from maybe winning a title.

 

The return Chicago got for Butler was decent. A no. 4 pick from a year ago, a good but injured shooting guard and a no. 7 pick in a strong draft that turned into a player they apparently wanted. That's a fair deal.

Cousins was expiring in 18 months and Sacramento needed to make a decision whether to build around him or retool the team. Considering they never made playoffs with him, it was a reasonable choice. The outcome of that trade was also getting to keep the 2017 pick which was a big deal to them as it ended up getting them Fox. They would have probably got a better offer if Cousins wasn't a problematic character. Still, Hield was also someone they wanted badly a year before for some reason.

 

This is exactly right. Luck is a huge part of it. Green was the missing piece that made them contenders. Then AFTER they became champs they were able to attract Durant. Yes you create your own luck but it was Green's versatility, a player they got in the 2nd round, that made them a match up nightmare.

Look at all those lottery teams that could have taken him including us at 11. Just draft smart and hope for some luck.

 

FTFY

 

But they were looking to trade Boogie. Booker is basically untouchable.

NYK got little return because of Melos NTC.

That Butler package was a great return.

 

Nobody thought so at the time.

 

I don't think CJ will get traded this season...it's rare that first year max deals are traded.....not that I wouldn't jump at a few trades for him right now...it would be selling low ...maybe, unless he drops off more which I doubt....he'll win you a lot of games in the meantime...

 

Ahhh. Many people thought so. And whether they did or not is irrelevant.

 

This podcast:
https://nbamath.com/hardwood-knocks...ew-postmortems-for-wizards-spurs-heat-wolves/
Go to minute 53. Good discussion of CJ and Olshey. Says that CJ is Olshey's guy and he won't trade him.

 

You mentioned Golden State giving up on Monta Ellis - why isn't that exactly the same thing? By your reasoning, Golden State should've stuck with Ellis.

Now, of course they got VERY LUCKY. But give me an alternative analogy where you think a team should've stayed with what looked like a flawed "core."

 

I did.

 

McCollum is a much better player than Ellis.

 

I don't see how we can get much better without trading him. What other avenues do we have?

 

None... there is no other avenue to change the team without trading CJ. That’s why it pisses me off that Neil refuses to even entertain the idea of trading CJ... all options should be on the table after that embarrassing and unacceptable performance in the playoffs