<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> step off and listen to Rick Ross and other great Florida rap legends.</div> I don't even listen to many southern artists, hit and miss kid. Nice try though. Not to mention even Rick Ross is better than Elz.... Why did you make a list of artists when the thread says, What Makes A Rapper Good. Not who is a good rapper. He is no way shape or form better than Wayne, pass that dro B. Elz is wack. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm like I'm nice Still pitching Still flipping So come **** with the boy I'm still pumping the boy I'll still dump on the boy Blue steel pump to the boy</div> Thank you.... If he was from Atlanta he'd be accused of killing hip hop. I'm actually embarrassed for you that you put him on that list that were mainly hip hop legends to. Personally I like some of Wayne's ish, but I know where the line is drawn. Get a grip.
I present to you one of the most annoying verses of all time: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Got you working with some ass yeah You bad yeah Make a ***** spend his cash yeah His last yeah Hoes clown when you pass yeah They mad yeah You gon' ride in the Jag yeah With dad yeah You could smoke or buy a bag yeah A grass yeah Got money I confess yeah And trash yeah I'm a Big Tymer ***** yeah Pulling trigger yeah A player hater to flip with, yeah Gon' head and fill it, yeah I be slanging wood, yeah Out the hood, yeah Let it be understood, yeah It's all good, yeah Got a ***** screaming large, yeah On the hard, yeah A smooth ghetto broad, yeah I want the broad, yeah A ***** do a trick, yeah On the dick, yeah You claiming you want a bitch, yeah That ain't ****, yeah The ***** with the money, yeah Don't act funny, yeah Got birds and I'm running, yeah 'Bout a hundred, yeah </div> lol, you guys should know who that's by. If not, you're missing some hilarious "rapping".
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I present to you one of the most annoying verses of all time: lol, you guys should know who that's by. If not, you're missing some hilarious "rapping".</div> You're missing the point. Southern rap is not about lyrical content, it's about style and flava. People who aren't from the south don't understand the south. That's okay though. Keep on keepin on.
NYC IS hip-hop. end of story. a lot of music originated in the south - blues, jazz, etc. but hip-hop came from New York.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You're missing the point. Southern rap is not about lyrical content, it's about style and flava. People who aren't from the south don't understand the south. That's okay though. Keep on keepin on. </div> Basically. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> NYC IS hip-hop. end of story.</div> Rap basically originated in NYC.....whats your point? But slaves said rhymes way before the first rap record was created, so the roots of hip hop can be connected to the south basically.
Yea, hip hop really doesn't have a home anymore. So many different tastes and no specific area is great enough to have a stranglehold over the game.
<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Rap originated in NYC.....whats your point?</div> My point is you have to show NYC the proper respect, Mr. Fresh.
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">My point is you have to show NYC the proper respect, Mr. Fresh.</div> I don't know about any of that. That's what I'm talking about with hip-hop today. It's all about my area vs. your area, my rapper vs. your rapper, etc. Music is music and words are words. When southern rappers put music out, it's meant to be appreciated for its aesthetic qualities. They use words as a tool to help their music flow smoothly. Northern rappers tend to totally miss the boat on that, placing an emphasis on lyrical content. Why not just write a book or some poems? Why do you have to market yourself as a musician if all you're doing is putting an emphasis on your words? Besides, the words aren't even that great half the time. They rarely have any deep meaning, and even if they're clever, any idiot with a rhyming dictionary could write similar lines.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know about any of that. That's what I'm talking about with hip-hop today. It's all about my area vs. your area, my rapper vs. your rapper, etc. Music is music and words are words. When southern rappers put music out, it's meant to be appreciated for its aesthetic qualities. They use words as a tool to help their music flow smoothly. Northern rappers tend to totally miss the boat on that, placing an emphasis on lyrical content. Why not just write a book or some poems? Why do you have to market yourself as a musician if all you're doing is putting an emphasis on your words? Besides, the words aren't even that great half the time. They rarely have any deep meaning, and even if they're clever, any idiot with a rhyming dictionary could write similar lines.</div> So, do you perfer southern rap over northern? I've tried listening to southern songs, but the HEAVILY hi-hat based beats and lack of sense/purpose behind the music is a turn off. Not saying East Coast or West Coast or Midwest is better or not (honestly, I grew out of hiphop like 2 years ago, I still listen to it here and there but it's not the same) but any idiot could speak lines like: "I be slanging wood, yeah Out the hood, yeah Let it be understood, yeah It's all good, yeah" And it doesn't necessairly sound good aesthetically either. Juvenille's voice is annoying as hell to listen to, especially when he keeps repeating the word "yeah" like a grunt.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Northern rappers tend to totally miss the boat on that, placing an emphasis on lyrical content. </div>Oh God. you have officially lost the plot Voodoo Child. Let me rephrase it for you: NYC IS hip-hop - music, beats, lyrics, drums, snares, hi-hats, keyboards, flow, whatever the hell you wanna call it. Southern rap is by and large elephant sh*t masquerading as recorded sound.....
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">My point is you have to show NYC the proper respect, Mr. Fresh.</div> I do show NYC respect; man you are something lame. My favorite artists (GZA, Nas) are from NYC and your telling me to show NYC respect. I've always showed NYC love. I mean look at my Av and look at my sig. What do you see? Disrespect towards NY? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> That's what I'm talking about with hip-hop today. It's all about my area vs. your area, my rapper vs. your rapper, etc.</div> NYC hasn't shined like they did in the 90's, so thats the mindset of A LOT of people from NYC that I've talked to. If anything is killing hip hop, its not a rapper with sub par lyrics, its the people with views of which I already stated. Even rappers from NYC agree with it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> People complain about the quality of Jeezy's music, and Rick Ross. Well its NYC's main man, Jay Z, who signed both of em. Southern rap is by and large elephant sh*t masquerading as recorded sound.....</div> I swear you say some of the CRAZIEST ish I have ever heard of....everything from saying Illmatic has no replay value to saying Vanilla Ice had the best selling hip hop record of all time. You amaze me phundamentalz. I understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you take it to another level, because you have no sense of objectivity. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> "I be slanging wood, yeah Out the hood, yeah Let it be understood, yeah It's all good, yeah"</div> You have to learn to take it for what it is. The title of the song is called Back That Azz up. What purpose do you think this song is intended to serve?
New York is unanimously considered the home/originator of hip-hop, especially since most of the all-time greats are from New York. The "southern style" of hip-hop which VC is referring to, isn't really about lyrcism, though at the end of the day is still bad music, in my opinion. And NY hasn't shined like it has in the 90's, but that's due to the passing of a golden age. No other area has shined after the 90's. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">That's what I'm talking about with hip-hop today. It's all about my area vs. your area, my rapper vs. your rapper, etc. </div> I agree. Hip-hop isn't just the music, it's an entire culture and a way of life for some and its direction has definitely changed these past years. This is why Jay-Z and Nas - two premier, influential MC's - decided to reconcile their differences. And Chutney, Juelz Santana > Lil' Wayne
Fabolous? Jadakiss? Juelz Santana? Whatever happened to people listening to good hip hop? The key to being a good rapper is to be different. There is so much in hip hop that is the same, and no one stands out anymore. It's very hard to find a good rapper that says something new and profound at the same time. I've only heard a couple throughout my lifetime.
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> And Chutney, Juelz Santana > Lil' Wayne</div> How is he better? I've never heard a hot line from Juelz Santana. Of course your going to say he is better; hell if Umair was from NYC you'd say he was better than Wayne. Go listen to all the mixtapes they've made together, and its obvious at who is better. Even Wayne's bad songs are better than Santana's good songs.
<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Fabolous? Jadakiss? Juelz Santana? Whatever happened to people listening to good hip hop? The key to being a good rapper is to be different. There is so much in hip hop that is the same, and no one stands out anymore. It's very hard to find a good rapper that says something new and profound at the same time. I've only heard a couple throughout my lifetime.</div> Fabolous and Jadakiss are good. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How is he better? I've never heard a hot line from Juelz Santana. Of course your going to say he is better; hell if Umair was from NYC you'd say he was better than Wayne. Go listen to all the mixtapes they've made together, and its obvious at who is better. Even Wayne's bad songs are better than Santana's good songs.</div> I think Juelz beats Wayne in having better songs. Wayne is trash and most of his "clever ish" takes a while to understand. And no, I'm not supporting Juelz because he's from NY, so fall back. Wayne is trash whereas Santana is at least listenable -- at least more than Lil' Wayne. I'm not saying he's great or anything either. I'm sure you picked up on the sarcasm from my reply to Bobcats. Either way, I probably won't convince you that Juelz is better and you can't convince me that Wayne is better. So I don't think this is going anywhere.
I don't need to convince you...it's reality.... "I'm Back I'm Crack"-garbage "plus the babies love the kid/plus the ladies love the kid"-garbage "I'm like I'm nice"-garbage Georiga Bush (you probably never heard it)>>>>>Santana's career. Wayne at 16> Santana's career <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not supporting Juelz because he's from NY, so fall back.</div> Lies. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">most of his "clever ish" takes a while to understand.</div> Oh really? Or maybe your just slow.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I knocks off hoes all day, I'm mackin vicious. Ask ya girl bout my dick she say thats delicious! Ask ya girl did she spit she say dats nutricious! Ask her did she get flipped she say dats tradition..</div> Lil Wayne is definitely serious
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Lil Wayne is definitely serious </div> That>Santana's career... Your career on JBB> Santana's career. "Do yall fools listen to rap or do you just skim through it?" What Wayne songs have you heard anyway? Out of curiosity. You actually picked up an album or listened to singles?
No, I gotta agree with AF on this, even though it feels nasty supporting Wayne. But this isn't really a comparison of which one is actually good. Rather, you have to find out which one is less crappy. Wayne, as weak as he is, actually raps over a beat, while Juelz just yells "aye" every few seconds and rhymes the same words with each other. He kind of reminds me of Lil Jon.
