<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 9 2007, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What the hell is the point of comparing a player to another player, when they only share a couple basic similarities? Bottom line, Durant is a completely different player, outside of a couple basic similarities. Yeah, Durant rebounds, so do Barkley/Bosh....ok? Other than that it's apples and oranges for the most part. In the other thread you really tried comparing Durant (who you've not watched) to Bosh and everyone laughed and shot it down....I remember CB32, Valo and Nitro, along with myself not understanding your comparisons....</div>''You say Durant will always be a perimeter player but KG was the same as Durant when he entered the league as far as weight comparison. Durant may very well develop into a PF(Which happens to be the same position as Duncan)''-me ''There you go again.Chris Bosh and Kevin Garnett- Both skinny when they entered the league.- But both were post players at heart''-you^''I'm new to this thread, but are you saying that Chris is a post player at heart? Cause that's not his game. He's a slasher, athletic force inside, and a jump shooter. He still isn't very comfortable posting up, although he's working on it.''-cb4Your point was?
Chris Bosh is a natural PF. He's not a SF, sure he's not a great back to the basket scorer, sure he can hit the jumper, but he scorers most of his posts from 10 feet and in. Kevin Durant is a natural SF, a natural perimeter scorer/shooter. Chris Bosh will never be confused as a SF. That's my point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 9 2007, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Chris Bosh is a natural PF. He's not a SF, sure he's not a great back to the basket scorer, sure he can hit the jumper, but he scorers most of his posts from 10 feet and in. Kevin Durant is a natural SF, a natural perimeter scorer/shooter. Chris Bosh will never be confused as a SF. That's my point.</div>I never said Durant was a natural PF in that thread. What I did say is that bosh similar to durant was considered too skinny and more of a perimeter oriented big man when he first entered the nba. that was my only comparison of the two.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 9 2007, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Its not neccesarily a terrible deal for either team. Noc is a guy who can give u 20/8 a game in a starting role and play great defense and he just so happens to be a sf(the bucks weakest position)Right now Yi is unproven and alot of teams wouldnt give up a guy like Nocioni who is a proven hustle scorer/defender for an unproven foreign player and a guy coming off a terrible season(who will likely be traded one way or the other soon)</div>Yes, if the Bucks were one or two players away from being a great team, it might be an okay trade. Currently, they are not a great team or even a good team. They don't need to trade for a player that will make them marginally better. They need to stock up so that they can be a decent team in a few years. It doesn't matter that Yi is unproven. The Bucks don't need to trade for a 27 year old SF and a PG that has been called garbage by his team's fans. They can get an SF off FA, they have plenty of cap room. You're suggesting a rebuilding team with tons of cap room should trade two young PFs for a decent, older SF, when there are quite a few good SF's on the market. The Bucks would be better off trading for something else. Oh yeah, and also Nocioni doesn't come close to the marketing power of Yi. No question there.If Noah were somehow involved, I might understand it a little bit better. I don't know how much he would fit into the Bucks though. That's a whole 'nother can of worms.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 10 2007, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, if the Bucks were one or two players away from being a great team, it might be an okay trade. Currently, they are not a great team or even a good team. They don't need to trade for a player that will make them marginally better. They need to stock up so that they can be a decent team in a few years. It doesn't matter that Yi is unproven. The Bucks don't need to trade for a 27 year old SF and a PG that has been called garbage by his team's fans. They can get an SF off FA, they have plenty of cap room. You're suggesting a rebuilding team with tons of cap room should trade two young PFs for a decent, older SF, when there are quite a few good SF's on the market. The Bucks would be better off trading for something else. Oh yeah, and also Nocioni doesn't come close to the marketing power of Yi. No question there.If Noah were somehow involved, I might understand it a little bit better. I don't know how much he would fit into the Bucks though. That's a whole 'nother can of worms.</div>Im not saying its the most ideal situation but milwaukee could do a whole lot worse. Both Charlie V and Yi are hit or miss but with Noc you know what your getting. Also with noc signed with the bulls there are really no top level sfs(at least as far as I know) on the trading block anymore. Of course I dont claim to know the entire free agent list so I may be wrong.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 9 2007, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im not saying its the most ideal situation but milwaukee could do a whole lot worse. Both Charlie V and Yi are hit or miss but with Noc you know what your getting. Also with noc signed with the bulls there are really no top level sfs(at least as far as I know) on the trading block anymore. Of course I dont claim to know the entire free agent list so I may be wrong.</div>Morris Peterson and Desmond Mason are both FA's still. It's not like there are any good PF's out on the market. Not any that I can think of, anyway.
There isnt...theres Varejao who can be one of the best role players in the league..but hes never going to be a star. Theres Milicic who has potential and theres Magliore...but hes getting older and hes really a C more than anything...I have no idea what yall are arguing...but just putting that out there...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 9 2007, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My point was there is very little difference between PF and Centers. Most centers and powerforwards are interchangeable at some point. Also BCB why cant Durant be compareable to Charles Barkley and chris bosh? Both were and are athletic scorers with great rebounding prowess and average defensive skills.</div>But you can't just say "PF's can play center, and visa versa." It depends on the player in most cases. Are there some players such as Jermaine O'Neal, Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire, Al Jefferson, etc. that are almost just as effective at either spot? Yes, but not all of them. Obviously, depending on matchups at times (playing Golden State or Phoenix), some players will slide down, but you can't just say "he's a 4, so he must be able to play effectively at the 5."<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 9 2007, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But they are similar in many regards so my comparison wasnt as ludacris as you make it seem. I wasnt neccesarily saying they are the same players but that Durant could end up a pf even though size and strength is an issue right now. He may never be a true pf but he is a combo forward. You like to try and twist my words on me. doesn't work. Just because I compare one aspect of a player doesn't mean im saying they are the same guy.</div>Durant may be able to play the 4 in time, but regardless of where he plays, he will always be a perimeter oriented scorer with a beautiful jumper and a scorer's mentality. Comparing him to Chris Bosh doesn't make much sense, because while Bosh may not be your traditional post player, he's not a 1-on-1 perimeter player either. Durant is, much like a Tracy McGrady or a Rashard Lewis.And comparing Durant to Barkley doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Different sizes, different body types, different styles of play, and different mentalities. The only thing you can say is similar is that they are both great scorers at the forward position. That is like comparing Tracy McGrady to Charles Barkley, it doesn't make any sense.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 9 2007, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I never said Durant was a natural PF in that thread. What I did say is that bosh similar to durant was considered too skinny and more of a perimeter oriented big man when he first entered the nba. that was my only comparison of the two.</div>But again, they are different. Durant plays outside-in, Bosh plays inside-out. Bosh is extremely effective from mid-range, and he's obviously overly coordinated and agile for a big, but he's not a 1-on-1 iso player that will work the perimeter. Durant, on the other hand, is a guy that wants to handle the ball and ask for iso's so he can break his man off the dribble or pop long range jumpers. The only similarity between them is that they are tall and thin, but their games are absolutely nothing alike. Bosh and Garnett, then you've got something.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mobruler @ Jul 10 2007, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Chris Bosh was never considered a perimeter oriented bigman.</div>http://www.nba.com/draft2003/profiles/BoshChris.htmllook under strengths.Also they are listed the same height and just 20 pounds seperates them. Im not saying they are identical when they first came into the nba, but they share more then a few similarities as far as college.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mobruler @ Jul 10 2007, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Chris Bosh was never considered a perimeter oriented bigman.</div>Hes not a 3point shootnig big or anything, but hes more of a face-to-the-basket type of player, so hes kindve perimeter oriented for a big...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 10 2007, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://www.nba.com/draft2003/profiles/BoshChris.htmllook under strengths.Also they are listed the same height and just 20 pounds seperates them. Im not saying they are identical when they first came into the nba, but they share more then a few similarities as far as college.</div>There is a big difference between a perimeter oriented big and a swingman. A perimeter oriented big man is like KG...very comfortable with midrange position. Meaning he can shoot, postup and drive past his player in that position. But he is still within 12-15ft, doing most of his damage with a big man repetoire. A swingman is much different...playing mostly 20-25ft out, and operating off of that position. Most of a swingman's points will either come off of 18-24ft jumpshots or drives from the 3pt line to the basket. Very little posting up or anything resembling a big man's offensive arsenal. Basically the difference is KG and T-Mac. You're using Bosh, a perimeter oriented big man very similar to KG, and Durant, who is a swingman who is a lot like T-Mac. Just because Bosh and Durant have similar bodies means nothing. If we are going by the barest of skills and body, then at quick glance you could call T-Mac and Carlos Boozer similar as they both can shoot the midrange and are about the same height and Boozer has only 20-25 pounds on T-Mac (NBA bio is wrong, T-Mac is 235-240lbs).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 10 2007, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://www.nba.com/draft2003/profiles/BoshChris.htmllook under strengths.</div>Yeah, he shot 46 3-pointers his last year of college and he's shot 72 in the NBA. Total. Over four years.Durant shot over 200 last year, and that number will probably only change marginally.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 10 2007, 03:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, he shot 46 3-pointers his last year of college and he's shot 72 in the NBA. Total. Over four years.Durant shot over 200 last year, and that number will probably only change marginally.</div>Again im not saying they are exactly the same. Im just saying they have several similar qualities. Why is it I cant say a player has similar qualities to another player without hearing everything they are not similar about? I understand Durant is not bosh, I never said he was.back to topic.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 10 2007, 02:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Again im not saying they are exactly the same. Im just saying they have several similar qualities. Why is it I cant say a player has similar qualities to another player without hearing everything they are not similar about? I understand Durant is not bosh, I never said he was.back to topic.</div>You said Bosh was a perimeter player like Durant, even though Durant shot 4 times more 3-pointers than Bosh in their final years of college. I am just pointing out that something that YOU said is a similarity is really not. I'm not going on about other facets of their game, just specifically something that you just argued.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 10 2007, 02:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Again im not saying they are exactly the same. Im just saying they have several similar qualities. Why is it I cant say a player has similar qualities to another player without hearing everything they are not similar about? I understand Durant is not bosh, I never said he was.back to topic.</div> Again, what the hell is the point of comparing Durant to a player who only has a couple basic similarities....Why would you bring up that Durant is like Kyle Korver, because they can both shoot, whats the point of even bringing that up? You were however seriously comparing Durant/Bosh in the other thread, but once everyone pounded that comparison and called it ridiculous (basicly you not understanding Durant since you've never watched him), now the debate is that they have a couple basic similarities, and based on how Nitro's basicly kicked your ass in this topic...all you have now is both of them being skiny their freshmen seasons...what a comparison!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 10 2007, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You were however seriously comparing Durant/Bosh in the other thread, but once everyone pounded that comparison and called it ridiculous (basicly you not understanding Durant since you've never watched him), now the debate is that they have a couple basic similarities, and based on how Nitro's basicly kicked your ass in this topic...all you have now is both of them being skiny their freshmen seasons...what a comparison!</div>Bosh's name originally came in the conversation because everyone was saying Durant was too skinny to play pf. that was how his name originally came into discussion. I didnt change my story at all. Heres my first post I brought bosh's name into discussion.''Travis Outlaw is no better than Darius Miles. Durant might not have the body size YET but give him time to add mass. Bosh was also a smaller PF mass-wise for a while and played purely on finesse and shooting ability much like Durant.''
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 10 2007, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And obviously if Durant gets big enough to play PF, he'll be big enough to play center, am I right?</div>:HAHAHA:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 10 2007, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And obviously if Durant gets big enough to play PF, he'll be big enough to play center, am I right?</div>I very much doubt that. in yi's case yes because he is a 7 footer and its rare a 7 footer to not at least see a few games in their career playing center but Durant is a combo-F.
